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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:31 PM   #3761
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Do you use periods in Quebec or commas? 1.5 km or 1,5 km?
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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #3762
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We do it because we can.
Well, someone who dares to ask "Why do Europeans do X" is a refreshing novelty around here.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:39 PM   #3763
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Old February 13th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #3764
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What a waste of money.
It's not a waste of money. A7 across Linz is usually very congested, probably one of the worst bottlenecks of Austria.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 12:02 AM   #3765
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^ Why do European countries use meters on road signs if it's more than 1 km? I see signs displaying "1500 m" rather than 1.5 km. If it's less than 1 km, then for sure use meters, such as 800 m.
I guess it is much less confusing than to see first 1.5 km and then 25 secs later 800 meters. It should be easier for the brain to perceive the information when it is provided in the same standard.

Since it would be quite strange to put on the boards 0.8 km, it makes sense to me to use meters for both.

Another thing is that it makes clear differentiation between the exits and destination distances.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 12:46 AM   #3766
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I guess it is much less confusing to see first 1.5 km and then 25 secs later 800 meters. It should be easier for the brain to perceive the information when it is provided in the same standard.

Since it would be quite strange to put on the boards 0.8 km, it makes sense to me to use meters for both.

Another thing is that it makes clear differentiation between the exits and destination distances.
I don't see any problem with 0.8 km. However, yes, whatever they choose meters or km, they should keep using the same unit.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 01:47 AM   #3767
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If memory serves, Quebec would say 0.8, or 0,8.

Where are our Canadians?
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Old February 14th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #3768
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http://www.asfinag.at/documents/1018...=1423734231518

grey = Existing Autobahn
orange = Tunnel safety program 2015
purple = Major project u/c in 2015
red = Major project, start of construction in 2015
blue = General safety improvements
gold = Major project, start of construction after 2015

http://www.asfinag.at/unterwegs/bauen
what are they planning to do with S37? is it going to become a motorwaylike S-strasse (like S35 for instance), or they will only reconstruct 1+1 and 2+1 parts?
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Old February 14th, 2015, 11:01 AM   #3769
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what are they planning to do with S37? is it going to become a motorlike S-strasse (like S35 for instance), or they will only reconstruct 1+1 and 2+1 parts?
http://www.asfinag.at/unterwegs/baup...lagenfurt-nord

Safety upgrade and renovation with Median and wider lanes (2x2). Road width will be increased from 16 to 20.6m. 18km, 96 million €. AADT: 25,000 vehicles/day.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 02:13 PM   #3770
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http://www.asfinag.at/unterwegs/baup...lagenfurt-nord

Safety upgrade and renovation with Median and wider lanes (2x2). Road width will be increased from 16 to 20.6m. 18km, 96 million €. AADT: 25,000 vehicles/day.
Is 20.6m enough to get autobahn status, like S6, S36 and S35? It sounds pretty narrow, unless they build a single concrete\steel crashbarrier in the middle instead of a proper median.
4 standard lanes (3.75m) take already 15m, so only 5,6m are left to the hard shoulders and the median.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 02:17 PM   #3771
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It's already S37..... And yes, I think 20.6m is enough for expressway status.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 02:20 PM   #3772
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Is 20.6m enough to get autobahn status, like S6, S36 and S35? It sounds pretty narrow, unless they build a single concrete\steel crashbarrier in the middle instead of a proper median.
4 standard lanes (3.75m) take already 15m, so only 5,6m are left to the hard shoulders and the median.
it is enough for the case of narrowed lanes (3,5m) and 2,5m wide hard shoulder. in that case for the median remains 1,6m
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Old February 14th, 2015, 02:27 PM   #3773
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It's already S37..... And yes, I think 20.6m is enough for expressway status.
The S-number in Austria doesn't mean expressway status. It can be a full motorway (with motorway signs and 130 speed limit, like S6, S35, S36 or S1), a 4-lanes undivided road (S37 or S31), and even a 2-lanes road (parts of S16).
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Old February 14th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #3774
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^ Why do European countries use meters on road signs if it's more than 1 km? I see signs displaying "1500 m" rather than 1.5 km. If it's less than 1 km, then for sure use meters, such as 800 m.
Because they hate the metric system's biggest benefit - the ability to easily remove trailing zeros?

OK, sensible hat on - when someone proposed metricising (or rather continentalised) UK signage on SABRE, this was something that was pointed out as being silly*, and why not continue using fractions (as is what is currently used) or use decimal points.

The arguments this guy made were as follows:
1) decimal points/commas are hard to see. 0.8km apparently might be confused for 08km and 1.6km might be confused with 16km
2) smaller numbers to show fractions / numbers right of the decimal point (as France uses for exit numbers) makes them harder to read (yet people's problem with the fractions was made in the discussion that followed was not that they can't read the signs, but that they weren't taught them at school and don't know what ˝ is!)

I presume that readability is the key reason why they use '1500m' rather than '1,5km'. Whether it's entirely valid is a different question.

*especially as one of the key complaints this guy had against UK signs was clutter, which he removed (even when removing what he saw as clutter completely changed the meaning of the sign, but that's a different rant...) and then filled our signs with these trailing zeros, symbols showing which 'type' of motorway junction it was and various other clutter that was OK as it was what they use on the continent.
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Old February 14th, 2015, 09:21 PM   #3775
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Using kilometres gives impression that the destination is far away, so using metres is better for exits.
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Old February 15th, 2015, 05:10 PM   #3776
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Do you use periods in Quebec or commas? 1.5 km or 1,5 km?
Quebec uses 1,5 km while English Canada uses 1.5 like America.
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Using kilometres gives impression that the destination is far away, so using metres is better for exits.
Interesting point...
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Using kilometres gives impression that the destination is far away, so using metres is better for exits.
Hmmm....

1km: far away
100m: close to

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maybe so people won't be confused
2km 1.5km 1000m 500m 100m vs.
2000m 1500m 1000m 500m 100m
I guess marking a distance in m instead of km gives it a greater sense of accuracy, whereas a distance in km is often not very accurate.
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Hmmm....

1km: far away
100m: close to

Well, 0.1 km doesn't sound close to me.
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