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Old March 31st, 2008, 03:45 PM   #381
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Yes, but this motorway would be furhter from the lake and next to railway as H123Laci mentioned.

If they really don't want to build it next to Neusidlersee they can build something like this. It will help a lot as well, although not as H123Laci's proposal: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...a4fe28c3da40ad
Sorry, but I think it has no sense.
This is a "neither fish, nor flesh" alignment.

Maybe there is no need for S31 extension, this need can be satisfied by the earlier proposed A21 extension...
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Old March 31st, 2008, 03:59 PM   #382
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Other solution would be to pays the same length this motorway would be in our M8(I mean on the austrian side)...that would have the same results,but the traffic wont even go near Vienna...after our part will be finished...
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Old March 31st, 2008, 04:56 PM   #383
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I guess everbody went skiing?

yes, more than 50% are tourists

also have a look at the ski transport systems on the cars roofs
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Old April 1st, 2008, 05:30 PM   #384
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Sorry, but I think it has no sense.
This is a "neither fish, nor flesh" alignment.

Maybe there is no need for S31 extension, this need can be satisfied by the earlier proposed A21 extension...
Yes, it's not ideal, but it's probably the only variant which is possible.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 02:03 PM   #385
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Is there any public discussion today on whether to connect the A10 and A12? I know you can go through Germany and never leave an autobahn, but doesn't the western part of Austria somehow feel cut off from the rest of the country? Or maybe it's just not economically justifiable to build a motorway past Kitzbühel.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 02:08 PM   #386
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I don't think it's ecologically feasible. The best they can do is build some bypass along some towns, but that's it. Besides that, heading for Wien, the German route is not that much longer.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #387
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Is there any public discussion today on whether to connect the A10 and A12? I know you can go through Germany and never leave an autobahn, but doesn't the western part of Austria somehow feel cut off from the rest of the country? Or maybe it's just not economically justifiable to build a motorway past Kitzbühel.
Come on, we're in united Europe, who cares if you go through Germany. And if you really don't wanna leave Austria, you have roads there.
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Old April 8th, 2008, 05:44 PM   #388
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Come on, we're in united Europe, who cares if you go through Germany. And if you really don't wanna leave Austria, you have roads there.
Yeah, I'm all for building motorways in general, but this time flooding those beautiful valleys with trucks just feels wrong. But I do think the Germans should reconstruct their part, it doesn't even have any shoulder for many kms.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:44 AM   #389
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Is there any public discussion today on whether to connect the A10 and A12? I know you can go through Germany and never leave an autobahn, but doesn't the western part of Austria somehow feel cut off from the rest of the country? Or maybe it's just not economically justifiable to build a motorway past Kitzbühel.
There was a connection (S11) planned but stopped it in 1983. There are three sections built:

bypass of Bischofshofen with Access to A10
bypass of Lend
bypass of Bruck an der Glocknerstraße.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:46 AM   #390
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I don't think it's ecologically feasible. The best they can do is build some bypass along some towns, but that's it. Besides that, heading for Wien, the German route is not that much longer.
The German route is even shorter (at least for most of the people)
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Old April 9th, 2008, 05:34 PM   #391
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There was a connection (S11) planned but stopped it in 1983. There are three sections built:

bypass of Bischofshofen with Access to A10
bypass of Lend
bypass of Bruck an der Glocknerstraße.
are those roads called S11, or are they also 311? and do you maybe know about road structures on that planned S11 road, would there be some large tunnels (larger than 5000 m)? i guess it would be neccessary to build one of those under Kitzbühler Alpen
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The German route is even shorter (at least for most of the people)
And it (still) doesn't cost a cent...

Btw. they should introduce tolls for cars going from Kufstein to Salzburg and finance the refurbishment of A 8 with this money...


The pictures above show a traffic on the northbound lane, south of Bregenz, right. Fortunately, they started to dig the second hole there, and they finally started a one-day-toll sticker to pass Bregenz. Personally, I still don't would buy it as long as there is the Pfänder tunnel finished and a motorway connection to the Swiss A 13. For now, I'm not willed to buy a sticker only for the 2km of bypassing Bregenz.
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are those roads called S11, or are they also 311? and do you maybe know about road structures on that planned S11 road, would there be some large tunnels (larger than 5000 m)? i guess it would be neccessary to build one of those under Kitzbühler Alpen
No, they are now called "311" and a part of the bypass is signed with "A10".

I'm sure there was at least one tunnel over 5 kms planned (bypass of Zell am See). They built a similiar tunnel (Schmittentunnel) then for B311 and I it is 5111 m's. There are also many other tunnels planned now on that route but only two-laned ones
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Old April 13th, 2008, 12:49 AM   #394
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And it (still) doesn't cost a cent...

Btw. they should introduce tolls for cars going from Kufstein to Salzburg and finance the refurbishment of A 8 with this money...
I agree.

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The pictures above show a traffic on the northbound lane, south of Bregenz, right. Fortunately, they started to dig the second hole there, and they finally started a one-day-toll sticker to pass Bregenz. Personally, I still don't would buy it as long as there is the Pfänder tunnel finished and a motorway connection to the Swiss A 13. For now, I'm not willed to buy a sticker only for the 2km of bypassing Bregenz.
Sorry but I think €2,50 is not that much for a over 7000m tunnel.
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Old April 13th, 2008, 04:36 AM   #395
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so, friends of Austria, i did do A14 @Bregenz pics on Saturday afternoon for you:






should be 9 km traffic jam
I think everybody decided to use the Bathroom or "Starbucks decided to give out free coffee"!?!

Or Chriszwolle tried direct traffic around an accident he saw when this happen

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Starbucks in Bregenz i don´t think so
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Sorry but I think €2,50 is not that much for a over 7000m tunnel.
Yeah, sure. But for me personally it doesn't make much sense at all. If you want to go to Zurich immediately after the tunnel you enter Bregenz and have to go St. Margrethen through the villages where there's usually heavy traffic. Therefore, it doesn't save that much time passing only the city of Bregenz. So driving through Bregenz you usually aren't much slower. If you go to the south (Graubünden, Tessin) the sticker makes more sense because you can pass the whole agglomeration at the shore of Lake Constance easily via Dornbirn and you actually save much time.


Btw, there are other routes where such 1-day stickers would make (more) sense: Zirl-Ost - Innsbruck-Süd (from Garmisch to Brenner) or Imst - Landeck (from Fernpass to Reschen; thats also a stretch where I never use the Autobahn) or maybe Kufstein - Zillertal.
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Old April 13th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #399
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Btw, there are other routes where such 1-day stickers would make (more) sense: Zirl-Ost - Innsbruck-Süd (from Garmisch to Brenner) or Imst - Landeck (from Fernpass to Reschen; thats also a stretch where I never use the Autobahn) or maybe Kufstein - Zillertal.
Damn right you are but this will never happen or if, maybe in some 30 years .
The ASFINAG was already rebelling against the one in Bregenz.

Also at the A1 around Salzburg it would make sense or better around every bigger town. I know several people living e.g. in Salzburg and they rather go via the city (with many traffic jams) than via the motorway (which would be much faster in most cases) just because it has no sense for them to buy a sticker. Not to mention all the people coming from south-eastern Bavaria for shopping who, if they come from Freilassing have to take a several-km-long detour instead of being on the motorway for ~300 m's (!) from Salzburg-Mitte to Salzburg-Kleßheim
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it´s still not for sure that Begenz gets special support by ASFINAG !

Kufstein is the only exit i know with special rights
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