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Old June 14th, 2016, 04:49 AM   #4101
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temporary sign for construction works while lane markings are permanent?
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Old June 14th, 2016, 12:07 PM   #4102
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Dashed lines do not automatically indicate a ban on passing and "No passing" signs do not automatically forbid to cross the line.
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Which new motorways are currently under construction?
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Old June 15th, 2016, 01:12 AM   #4103
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About the B7 - will this junction remain in place?

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.5890937,16.653091,17z

It has a certain charm to it and I'd be sorry to see it go...

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AFAIK, Slovenia wasn't communist/socialist any more (at least it changed its name in 1990 from Socialist Republic of Slovenia into Republic of Slovenia).
Trying to explain the 1990 elections in Slovenia/Croatia to anyone is impossible because the system was so confusing, but the communists didn't form part of the post-election government. Milan Kučan (leader of the post-communists and previously leader of the League of Communists in Slovenia) won the Presidential election, but it's probably safe to say that Communism was dead in Slovenia from 1989 onwards on a practical level.

From what I understand, when the tunnel opened, it was still legally Yugoslavia, although Slovenia had more or less completely ignored the federal government for months at that point. I'm pretty sure Slovenia had stopped transferring the customs revenues to Belgrade (I remember one number that said that something like 40% of federal revenue came from Slovenian border posts!), but you can see that the border police still have the red star on their caps in those pictures and hence they're still theoretically under federal Yugoslav command.

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Well, I'm not sure about the rest of Yugoslavia.
Communism was definitely over in Croatia and they were following the same path as Slovenia, BiH couldn't make up their mind, Macedonia was still one foot in, one foot out and Serbia was still communist, just under a different name.

Trying to untangle what was going on in Yugoslavia in late 1990/early 1991 is nearly impossible, because the old system of federal elections had fallen apart (as the League of Communists of Yugoslavia had also fallen apart) and the Presidency couldn't agree on how to reform it. So you had a Communist Federal Assembly, a Presidency that was half communist and half democratic, democratic republican governments in most republics and one communist (Serbia) and...what a mess

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That is true, however the tunnel and border crossing were both planned and built back in an era of communist Yugoslavia so it was meant that western country will have border checkpoint in communist country.
I don't think it was that big a deal, even back when the tunnel was being planned. Austria and Yugoslavia were on good terms with each other, there were tourist border crossings between A-YU, and Yugoslavia wasn't 'the enemy' unlike other communist countries.

The only thing I wonder - this system of controls must have meant no duty-free sales on the border?
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Old June 15th, 2016, 01:49 AM   #4104
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There was a duty free shop:

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Old June 15th, 2016, 02:05 AM   #4105
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About the B7 - will this junction remain in place?

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.5890937,16.653091,17z

It has a certain charm to it and I'd be sorry to see it go...

I would think it remains, as this is north of the area where they reuse the old B7 (which is just from "Schrick" to "Wilfersdorf Süd"), and there is no notice that they would rebuild the B7 in other areas.

"Your" junction is circled in red, while the A5 will pass by to the west of Wilfersdorf, and will only intersect with B7 north of Wilfersdorf (see also http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/48.5821/16.6398)



Maybe if there is in the future a bigger rehabilitation needed where they would need to repair bridges and rebuild the foundation of the B7, they might rebuild it more narrow, and replace such a junction with a roundabout, if that is cheaper in rehabilitation and future maintenance.
But nothing like that is intended at the moment, so you should be able to still enjoy the junction :-)
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Old June 21st, 2016, 01:22 PM   #4106
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If there is a "NO OVERTAKING" sign, then why does the road have dashed lines or broken lines on it? (which in my understanding means that overtaking is permitted as long as it is done safely)

I might be mistaken, but often, these dashed lines with a rather small distance between the dashes is seen when there is a no-passing zone, except for tractors. It might be that this is the intention here, and they had forgotten to /not yet mounted the additional "except tractors" sign below. Don't have any evidence to support that, though...
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Old June 21st, 2016, 01:36 PM   #4107
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From the anniversary of the Karawanken Tunnel and the historic images of it to the future - ASFINAG released a statement showing how the northern (Austrian) portal will look like.

Here is the current view:


And a render of the dual carriageway:


And this is the winning project out of 10 participants in a contest:



It will feature a facade made of aluminium.

It seems to become a trend with ASFINAG to have differently designed tunnel portals.
This will be the new one for the Gleinalm Tunnel on the A9 motorway between Graz and Linz, which is currently being duplicated:

And the recently duplicated Bosruck Tunnel, on the same motorway:


If you want to read the full story about the Karawanken tunnel design (in German):
http://www.asfinag.at/newsroom/press...glanz-gebracht


As it was mentioned earlier, they are currently working on the southbound carriageway, on the bridge in front of the tunnel - on the render above in the foreground. Works on the tunnel are to start in 1.5 years (see http://www.asfinag.at/documents/1018...=1441615303137 for more details)
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Old June 21st, 2016, 02:38 PM   #4108
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I'm confused

If there is a "NO OVERTAKING" sign, then why does the road have dashed lines or broken lines on it? (which in my understanding means that overtaking is permitted as long as it is done safely)
I don't know how works and what prescribes the Austrian Highway Code, but, for example, the italian Highway Code prescribes a hierarchy of the signs and, in that case, the vertical signs prevail on the horizontal signs...
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Old June 26th, 2016, 11:13 AM   #4109
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I might be mistaken, but often, these dashed lines with a rather small distance between the dashes is seen when there is a no-passing zone, except for tractors. It might be that this is the intention here, and they had forgotten to /not yet mounted the additional "except tractors" sign below. Don't have any evidence to support that, though...
Lines and signs referr to different matters and don't have to be necessarily coordinated. A continuous line is something which shall not be crossed at any tine for any reason. If there is not a "overtake prohibited" sing You may do it also with a continuous marking if You don't cross the line (rarely roads/lanes are wide enough). On the other hand if you have to the cross the line, the overtake is not possible, but not prohibited.
In the picture the situation is viceversa: your not allowed to overtake, even if there is a dashed line. The "overtake prohibited" sign says You not allowed to overtake at any time and for any reason, exept motorcycles or bicyclee, even if there is no road marking at all.
It is not completely correct to say that there is a hierarchy between signs (traffic lights and gestures of police officers are compulsory regardless to any other singage), but it's true that You have to respect the meaning of any sign You encounter. Only in case of contradictory meanings, vertical signs are to be respected instead of road signs.
In this case there is no contradiction, the meaning is: you can cross the line, but not if You're driving a motorvehicle and You want to overtake another motorvehicle with axis (p.e.car to overtake car). If You want to over take a motorvehicle, you may, even if You have to cross the line.
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Old June 26th, 2016, 05:55 PM   #4110
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It's a bit more simple to me:

- You may not overtake

- You may turn (or cross the line to do whatever that is not overtaking)

That's how I'd understand it in my country and it also applies to most other European countries.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 02:43 PM   #4111
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This is going to be fun. 1+1 on the A23 just north of the Praterbrücke.

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Old June 30th, 2016, 04:45 PM   #4112
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S2 is quite substandard motorway and it is strange that despite many enlargement project in and around Wien nothing happens here.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 04:52 PM   #4113
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Traffic volumes on the S2 will probably go down a lot after the eastern part of S1 is built.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 11:56 PM   #4114
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When I saw that announcement I was also really wondering, I expect massive issues with this.
True, they are doing the lane closure (basically from 2+2 to 1+1) during summer holidays, which has significantly lower traffic volumes; but then again, this part is still a very busy road.
Though most of the congestion happens southbound, and is mostly a consequence of traffic confluences at the "Knoten Kaisermühlen", where A22 and A23 and kind-of 2 on-ramps merge - see here: https://www.google.at/maps/@48.21215...!3m1!1e3?hl=de

Indeed this stretch of A23, which then becomes S2, is sub-standard, basically along this route: https://goo.gl/maps/Z5R9Sk9XbnT2

It features in the beginning 3 lanes, then 2 lanes, but all without emergency strips, and they generally feel more narrow. This stretch is mostly from the early 90s, a few shots below (south to north)









There is already since a few months works going on, but they have been able to do with limited lane width, and lane closures only overnight, so impact was not that bad. In the pictures 4 & 6 above you can see the concrete barrier that they move in every night, with a Road Zipper: http://www.barriersystemsinc.com/roa...r-construction

I think upgrading this stretch would be bound by the limited space available. Also, a lot of the carriageway is on bridges and in tunnels, so that would be rather expensive, and especially for the tunnel complicated to be upgraded under traffic.

Indeed, traffic volumes should be lower wit the S1 and the tunnel under the Danube being built, but that will take at least 10 more years - the environmental approval is being challenged, and there are also political discussions, the green party being member of the city government is opposing the tunnel..
Current estimates (see http://www.asfinag.at/unterwegs/baup...u%C3%9Fenbrunn) are for construction work on the tunnel to start in 2018, with the opening in 2025.
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Old July 8th, 2016, 12:47 PM   #4115
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B317 + S36 : Unzmarkt - Sankt Georgen ob Judenburg
with the Unterflurtrasse St. Georgen ob Judenburg
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Old July 9th, 2016, 11:27 AM   #4116
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Today is the first really busy travel day of the summer. The Tauern/Katschberg Tunnel twinning really pays off, there are no reports of congestion despite southern Germany being a traffic chaos with an absurd amount of congestion on almost every Autobahn. An Asfinag webcam even shows short queues at the toll plaza near Sankt Michael im Lungau.
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Old July 9th, 2016, 03:25 PM   #4117
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6.5 km before the Karawankentunnel.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 04:09 PM   #4118
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The construction work on A23 north of the Danube, where one carriageway is closed and thus a 1+1 remains, is now in full swing, and even outside rush hours, it leads to significant delays.
You can check it on Google maps, northbound: https://goo.gl/maps/qwF64ARNk7J2, southbound: https://goo.gl/maps/M4aBynVvSjT2

Especially northbound is problematic, because the traffic jam tails back and also affects motorists who want to go on the A22, the interchange for which is really close before the construction zone.

A few pictures from driving there this week, northbound; there was around 20 minutes delay on this section.

~1 km before the construction work zone:

Approaching the first tunnel, where we have one lane continuing, and one lane turning into an exit (Stadlau)





Between the two tunnels:



North of the second tunnel, where the construction work ends.



The southbound queue started to form just after Breitenleer Straße:




Generally, southbound seemed less an issue at the time of driving (just before the afternoon rush hour), and also later at 19.30 there was absolutely no queue southbound - but still significant traffic delays northbound.

Due to it being summer at significantly less people in the city, the situation is still not as bad as it would be during other periods, and thus, A23 remains most of the times the preferred route if you want to get from the center or from the south to the north-eastern parts of Vienna (or just through it), as the next Danube crossing (Reichsbrücke) is 3.5 km upstream, and albeit multi-laned, the route goes through residential areas and is thus also rather slow.

Two snapshots from Google Maps traffic estimation, at 15.20 and 16.20 respectively, with up to 30 minutes delay:
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Old July 25th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #4119
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How do you feel about the Süd Autobahn between Klagenfurt and Graz? I drove through it recently after long time and i was negatively surprised, it felt rather unpleasant to drive on with many unnecessary and dangerous steep curves and all galleries were "tempo 100".
I found the Tauer Autobahn much better, and that's a freakin mountain autobahn!
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Old July 25th, 2016, 08:12 PM   #4120
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A2 was built rather recently for such an important connection between major cities. The first segment didn't open until 1985, and the final segment wasn't completed until 1999.

B70 precedes A2 as the main route between Klagenfurt and Graz. It hasn't been upgraded a lot despite the relatively late construction of A2. It goes through nearly all towns and most upgrades in the Voitsberg area weren't completed until after A2 was built.

A2 is quite curvy through the mountains. In a sense it's a mountain motorway, there are several large viaducts and tunnels. A2 goes over the mountains, whereas A10 mainly stays in valleys and crosses the major ranges with long tunnels. The Packsattel area is too wide to tunnel (it would require a 30 km tunnel for A2 to stay level). I was surprised to see three lanes west of Graz though.
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