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Old July 31st, 2016, 01:10 AM   #4141
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Can anyone provide an up-to-date list of speeding fines in Austria?
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Old July 31st, 2016, 10:04 PM   #4142
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You can calculate it yourself here: http://autorevue.at/bussgeldrechner

Select "Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitung" in the first drop down menu. The second drop down menu asks you where the violation happened and gives you the options "Ortsgebiet" (within city limits), "Autobahn" and "Freilandstraße" (all the roads outside city limits that are not Autobahns).
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Old July 31st, 2016, 10:28 PM   #4143
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Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitung(...) "Ortsgebiet
Hahaha, self-understandable language
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Old July 31st, 2016, 11:58 PM   #4144
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Now imagine it pronounced with a strong Styrian accent, for example
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Old August 5th, 2016, 02:26 PM   #4145
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A9/Gleinalmtunnel blocked for ~1 Month

There was a fire in a Danish bus-rebuilt-to-an-RV yesterday ~18.00 in the Gleinalmtunnel between Graz and St. Michael.
Luckily no victims, just minor smoke inhalation for ~12 people.

The serious side-effect - the roof of the tunnel seems to be severely damaged. They can't yet get fully assess it, as the concrete is still too hot, but the early estimations are a 4-6 weeks closure of the tunnel.

This leads already to huge traffic delays on the alternative route, which is S35 to Bruck, and then S6 to St. Michael. There is a construction site on S6 which reduces it to 1+1, delays are in the range of 1-2 hours, depending on where you go, see https://goo.gl/maps/rScC6RhSMc72 and https://goo.gl/maps/AH3C97nqVk42 (Google doesn't yet know about the closure of the tunnel, it tries to route you through...)

From Graz on S35, the traffic jam forms before the Bruck/Mur interchange (https://www.google.at/maps/@47.40551...!3m1!1e3?hl=de), which has one lane connecting to S6 westbound; on S6 the delay is before the beginning of that construction site.

Asfinag announced they would improve/suspend the construction site while the tunnel is closed, still the Bruck/Mur interchange can be an issue, as it has only one lane for this S6<->S35 relation.

News article in German: http://steiermark.orf.at/news/stories/2789423/


Asfinag news entry suggest to detour also via A2 and A10.
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A09 Pyhrn Highway, in both directions, between Kn St.Michael (km 133) and ASt Übelbach (km 157) in tunnel Gleinalm, roadblock due to accident, tunnel blocked, Fahrtdirection Graz detour via S6 and S35; Fahrtdirection Germany, Salzburg and Linz detour via A2 (It) and A10 (D)
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Old August 5th, 2016, 04:02 PM   #4146
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Wow that is unfortunate.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 04:25 PM   #4147
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With the MotoGP race next weekend(12.-14.08.) it will be madness to get to Spielberg. Maybe is better to go via B77, Graz - Köflach - Zeltweg - Spielberg?
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Old August 5th, 2016, 04:53 PM   #4148
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Such unfortunate events tell how much is important to have twin-tubes tunnels. Some 'environmentalists', such as those who oppose the second bore of the St. Gothard tunnel in CH, should learn.
Austria did/is doing a good job in duplicating all tunnels on A9, A10, and A11. In few years Arlberg will remain the only major bottleneck in Austria.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 04:59 PM   #4149
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There is no point in building a second tube on the Arlberg tunnel, since large parts of the S16 are only 1+1 and there's the pass road aswell (which I always take).
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Old August 5th, 2016, 05:03 PM   #4150
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There is no point in building a second tube on the Arlberg tunnel, since large parts of the S16 are only 1+1 and there's the pass road aswell (which I always take).
The whole S16 should be turned into a motorway, giving the international importance of this corridor. I don't know AADT and accident rate on this road, though.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 05:13 PM   #4151
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Improvements to the Fernpass should be a higher priority. There is massive congestion during the winter and summer there. Delays of 1-2 hours occur on that route.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 05:21 PM   #4152
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Improvements to the Fernpass should be a higher priority. There is massive congestion during the winter and summer there. Delays of 1-2 hours occur on that route.
But Innsbruck-Munich via Kufstein is only 12km longer (and some minutes faster) than via Fernpass.
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/Innsb...48.1351253!3e0
S16, instead, is the only fast connection between Austria and Switzerland.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 05:29 PM   #4153
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The Fernpass is farther west than the route on the map you linked. B179 runs across the Fernpass. The Fernpass also doesn't serve traffic to München primarily, but to central, western & northern Germany.
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Old August 5th, 2016, 10:02 PM   #4154
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The famous Glossglockner road (elevation around 2,500m) looks like this today:



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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 6th, 2016, 12:54 AM   #4155
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Regarding the Arlbergtunnel on the S16, currently it is around 8.000 vehicles a day.
It is an important tunnel mostly for that fact that it guarantees a passage during winter, when the pass is often closed, especially to heavier vehicles. But obvioulsy the AADT doesn't warrant a duplication.
Also, if there was even the slightes motivation for a duplication, it would have been now: due to safety regulations, they are working since last year to improve the escape tunnels, to the railway tunnel. This meant last year a complete closure of the tunnel in summer, and also this summer, closures happen almost daily from 21:00 to 05:00. The money invested in the safety upgrade, plus the loss in toll income, still doesn't seem to be enough to make a duplication feasible.. With this emergency escape upgrades, I also don't think duplication will come in the next decade(s).

Regarding Fernpass, that is a difficult topic. One the one hand, the problems are a classical case of holiday traffic overload of the road network, other days it is not that bad. And, nobody wants to open the Pandora's box of providing an improved road that would attract even more traffic in that area...

However, there is a recent moves towards a potential tunnel (1+1). There are first geological drillings for a Fernpass tunnel, around https://www.google.at/maps/@47.34702...,12.84z?hl=de; see e.g. http://www.tt.com/panorama/verkehr/1...r-fernpass.csp for a news report in German.
In addition to that tunnel, one would probably also need the "Tschirganttunnel" (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tschirganttunnel), which would connect Nassereith with the A12 near Haiming, around here: https://goo.gl/maps/fgJmzy7jZ4A2.
I guess if built, they would both need to be tolled in some form, to avoid people escaping the tolls on the motorway.
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Old August 6th, 2016, 01:03 AM   #4156
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Accident in the Karawankentunnel.

EDIT: luckily nothing special, the tunnel is open again

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Old August 6th, 2016, 05:20 PM   #4157
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S16 is fine as it is. I actually like that it's such a diverse road...
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Old August 6th, 2016, 09:10 PM   #4158
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Surprised to see that the temperatures dropped so low in August even in the unpredictable Alps at 2500m and caused this snowfall.
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Old August 6th, 2016, 10:46 PM   #4159
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Improvements to the Fernpass should be a higher priority. There is massive congestion during the winter and summer there. Delays of 1-2 hours occur on that route.
It's discussed to build some tunnels and other improvements but no 4-laned widening. It's just discussed for years but nothing will happen soon(/ever).
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Old August 8th, 2016, 11:43 AM   #4160
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Surprised to see that the temperatures dropped so low in August even in the unpredictable Alps at 2500m and caused this snowfall.
Not that uncommon.
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