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Old August 30th, 2016, 03:56 PM   #4221
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I didn't know that interchange was so old; I thought it was from 2006.
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Old August 30th, 2016, 06:31 PM   #4222
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Its only two 2x1 laned tunnels left on Austrian motorways, both on A9, right?
A9 the 2 sections:
Gleinalm - complete 2019
Klaus ( 4 Tunnels) - complete 2018

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Karawanken - complete 2022

S16:
Arlberg - no twining to less traffic - no upgrade coming, at the moment summer blocking und refurbishment ongoing

Dalaas - no twining - to less traffic
Perjen - complete 2019
--> S16 generall to less traffic, upgrade to 2+2 only like the old one have to be renovated, build the second for keeping the traffic flowing and after it have 2+2
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Old August 30th, 2016, 10:44 PM   #4223
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--> S16 generall to less traffic, upgrade to 2+2 only like the old one have to be renovated, build the second for keeping the traffic flowing and after it have 2+2
Could this happen to Arlberg and Dalaas too? When are their next renovations?
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Old August 31st, 2016, 11:22 AM   #4224
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Could this happen to Arlberg and Dalaas too? When are their next renovations?

Regarding Arlberg, I have a slight deja-vu

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Regarding the Arlbergtunnel on the S16, currently it is around 8.000 vehicles a day.
It is an important tunnel mostly for that fact that it guarantees a passage during winter, when the pass is often closed, especially to heavier vehicles. But obvioulsy the AADT doesn't warrant a duplication.

Also, if there was even the slightes motivation for a duplication, it would have been now: due to safety regulations, they are working since last year to improve the escape tunnels, to the railway tunnel. This meant last year a complete closure of the tunnel in summer, and also this summer, closures happen almost daily from 21:00 to 05:00. The money invested in the safety upgrade, plus the loss in toll income, still doesn't seem to be enough to make a duplication feasible.. With this emergency escape upgrades, I also don't think duplication will come in the next decade(s).

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Also, the ASFINAG page regarding the current Arlberg tunnel works (http://www.asfinag.at/arlbergtunnel#Zweite%20R%C3%B6hre) states:

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Warum baut die ASFINAG keine zweite Röhre beim Arlbergtunnel?

Die ASFINAG ist ein rein nutzerfinanziertes Unternehmen und erhält neben den Einnahmen aus Vignetten, Lkw- und Sondermaut keinerlei Zuschüsse aus dem Staatsbudget. Beim Arlbergtunnel werden derzeit rund 8.000 Fahrzeuge pro Tag registriert – auch in der Prognose erreicht diese Strecke nicht den Wert von durchschnittlich 20.000 Fahrzeugen pro Tag (Summe beider Richtungsfahrbahnen). Denn: Erst ab dieser Frequenz ist nach dem Straßentunnelsicherheitsgesetz der Bau einer zweiten Röhre vorgeschrieben. Deswegen investiert die ASFINAG 160 Millionen Euro, um die Sicherheit für täglich 8.000 Autofahrer zu erhöhen.

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Why does Asfinag not build a second tube at the Arlberg?

ASFINAG gets their revenue only from road users (Vignette, truck tolls, special tolls (for tunnels)), and no additional money from the state. Arlbergtunnel has approx 8.000 AADT, and even in forecasts it doesn't reach the mark of 20.000 AADT which would mandate a second tube, by regulations of the laws for tunnel safety.
Therefore, ASFINAG invests 160 million EUR for the current safety upgrade.

I am not sure how much a second tube would cost, but here are the costs of recently finished/ongoing/future duplication of tunnels:
- Bosruck: 280 million EUR, for 5,5 km tunnel and 2km of other road, of which approx 1km bridges
- Gleinalm: 243 million EUR, for approx 8,3 km tunnel, and one really short bridge.
- Karawanken: 310 million EUR, for approx 7,9 km tunnel and one bridge of 350m.

Arlberg has a total length of almost 14km (in actually two separate tunnels, see http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/47.1252/10.2610).
=> So I'd say the cost of 160 million EUR is at most a third of the cost of duplication. If you'd factor in maybe losses for not being able to charge tolls for the two summers of complete closure (2015 and 2017), plus for night closures, this still seems to be too far off to make the duplication financially viable for ASFINAG. I am also not sure whether some of the costs of 160 million EUR are maybe covered by the Railway, as it also improves emergency facilities in the railway tunnel...


For the Dalaas tunnel, I could only find in the ASFINAG 2016-2021 framework plan that a renovation and safety improvements are planned for September 2017 - September 2020, for 34,2 million EUR (the tunnel is 2km long), but it doesn't mention a duplication.
Further noteworthy regarding S16 in that framework plan are sections of additional lanes between Bludenz and Dalaas. This currently is 1+1, so parts of it will likely become 2+1.
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Old September 1st, 2016, 11:05 PM   #4225
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Regarding Arlberg, I have a slight deja-vu
I know that Arlberg tunnel is currently renovated. That's why I was surprised by Christian's statement. Maybe I got him wrong...
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Old September 1st, 2016, 11:09 PM   #4226
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I drove there last year in late December. It was open...
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Old September 1st, 2016, 11:30 PM   #4227
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It was closed from 21st April to 14th November 2015 and it will be closed from 18th April 2017 to 26th September 2017 (source; click "Zeitplan" radio button on the left).
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Old September 1st, 2016, 11:35 PM   #4228
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Plus this year, several closures in the night from 20.00 to 5.00 next morning; not always, e.g. when there was (fresh) snow on the pass, or other weather circumstances not allowing an easy passage, but otherwise you could constantly hear that in the traffic announcements :-)

In the upcoming winter season (starting November) till the complete closure 2017, they will also work in the night, but not completely closing, just alternatively closing one lane.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 09:15 PM   #4229
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S8

Hello guys, are there any recent info about S8 Marchfeld Expressway/Marchfeld Schnellstrasse? At least the first section to Gansendorf, thanx.
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Old September 10th, 2016, 10:04 PM   #4230
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There's a project page.

If you can't read German: EIA documents were published in March 2016, hearings of objections were in April and May 2016. A final hearing will be in November 2016. Afterwards, EIA could be passed. Constructions work might begin in 2018 and the road might be opened in 2020.

S8 is useless without S1 which also has a project page. The construction of Groß Enzersdorf - Süßenbrunn section might begin in 2017 (to be completed in 2019) but complaints are pending with a court...
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Old September 10th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #4231
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I follow the project page, every year, however, the construction start is delayed. I am not saying it is not with some projects in my country as well... . How about adjacent section Gansendorf - A/SK border?
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Old September 10th, 2016, 11:02 PM   #4232
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http://www.bmvit.gv.at/verkehr/strasse/autostrasse/s8/

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Mit den Einreichplanungen für den Abschnitt Ost von der Anschlussstelle Obersiebenbrunn/Gänserndorf (L 9) bis zur Staatsgrenze bei Marchegg soll im Anschluss an den Abschnitt West begonnen werden.
The "approval planning procedure" for the eastern section should(!) begin directly after the western section.

I guess it means that planning procedure should begin when all permits for the western section are completed but it could also mean that it should begin after the completion of the western section.
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Old October 3rd, 2016, 08:56 PM   #4233
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The federal court has rejected the appeals against the construction of the eastern part of S7 from Dobersdorf to the Hungarian border near Heiligenkreuz. It is 13.5 km long and will cost € 145 million.

A verdict is expected this year for the western segment from A2 to Dobersdorf. This part is 14.8 km long.

http://www.asfinag.at/newsroom?-1007...side-view-full
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Old October 17th, 2016, 08:32 PM   #4234
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Yeah this has happened in the Netherlands as well. They want to keep the rest areas family-friendly (and not have it littered with used condoms).
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Old October 17th, 2016, 11:10 PM   #4236
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If they want clean rest areas, they should provide free toilets, like in Italy. In Austria and Slovenia they charge 0.50€, that must be payed with a 50c coin to be put in a machine, in Hungary it's 200HUF, that it's even more annoying to foreign drivers as they often don't carry Hungarian currency with them.
Litter is an issue too, but nothing is more disgusting to walk across a parking lot scattered with bodily waste in a hot summer day, and then step into your car with dirty shoes.
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Old October 18th, 2016, 01:12 AM   #4237
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If they want clean rest areas, they should provide free toilets, like in Italy. In Austria and Slovenia they charge 0.50€, that must be payed with a 50c coin to be put in a machine, in Hungary it's 200HUF, that it's even more annoying to foreign drivers as they often don't carry Hungarian currency with them.
Litter is an issue too, but nothing is more disgusting to walk across a parking lot scattered with bodily waste in a hot summer day, and then step into your car with dirty shoes.
That's nonsense. Italian rest areas are always soiled.
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If they want clean rest areas, they should provide free toilets, like in Italy. In Austria and Slovenia they charge 0.50€, that must be payed with a 50c coin to be put in a machine, in Hungary it's 200HUF, that it's even more annoying to foreign drivers as they often don't carry Hungarian currency with them.
One week ago I stopped at one rest area near Sziget and it was for free
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That's nonsense. Italian rest areas are always soiled.
Imagine how would they be if people had to pay for toilet...
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Imagine how would they be if people had to pay for toilet...
Uhm, cleaner?
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