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Old October 20th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #4241
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Depends on the location and year of construction. I know many beautiful clean areas, and small old ones are non-existent to me
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Old October 20th, 2016, 01:23 AM   #4242
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Uhm, cleaner?
More pigs peeing and s**tting outside to avoid paying?
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Old October 20th, 2016, 09:48 AM   #4243
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More pigs peeing and s**tting outside to avoid paying?
Maybe but they would be doing that outside in the brush, not on the floor of the lavatory. You can already see men pissing in sos bays daily...
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Old October 20th, 2016, 04:22 PM   #4244
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If they want clean rest areas, they should provide free toilets, like in Italy. In Austria and Slovenia they charge 0.50€, that must be payed with a 50c coin to be put in a machine, in Hungary it's 200HUF, that it's even more annoying to foreign drivers as they often don't carry Hungarian currency with them.
Litter is an issue too, but nothing is more disgusting to walk across a parking lot scattered with bodily waste in a hot summer day, and then step into your car with dirty shoes.
In Austria depends on the company. BP has free toilets for instance. In Slovenia it depends on location and not the company.
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Old October 20th, 2016, 11:28 PM   #4245
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More pigs peeing and s**tting outside to avoid paying?
come on, you can probably feel the smell on Gonars or Fratta while you are still on exit ramp.

Germany has far the best system of rest areas: they have company who is taking care about equipment and cleaning it, you pay 1€ (or something like that), but one part of that (i think 0,80€) you can use at any bar which has toilets upon responsibility of that company. and they are the cleanest ever.

however, nearby bushes still stink because no truckers will go piss to toilets.
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Old October 21st, 2016, 01:13 AM   #4246
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come on, you can probably feel the smell on Gonars or Fratta while you are still on exit ramp.

Germany has far the best system of rest areas: they have company who is taking care about equipment and cleaning it, you pay 1€ (or something like that), but one part of that (i think 0,80€) you can use at any bar which has toilets upon responsibility of that company. and they are the cleanest ever.

however, nearby bushes still stink because no truckers will go piss to toilets.
Probably half or more of those truckers would use toilets if they were free. On the other hands, free toilets mean less money to clean them, like in Italy. But Germany is generally much more clean and tidy than Italy, not only regarding rest areas toilets, but also regarding cities and roadsides.
I think most tourists actually use toilets, as they generally go to the bar/restaurant/shop and toilets are nearby. The main problem are truckers, that stop instead on the back on the rest area, closer to bushes rather than toilets. They also often pee on stopping bays. And leave a lot of litter too.
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Old October 21st, 2016, 10:32 AM   #4247
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Germany has far the best system of rest areas: they have company who is taking care about equipment and cleaning it, you pay 1€ (or something like that), but one part of that (i think 0,80€) you can use at any bar which has toilets upon responsibility of that company. and they are the cleanest ever.
Actually it's the same in Austria. On rest areas which charge for toilet access (usually the larger ones which also include gas stations and restaurants), you get a 0,50 € voucher for the 0,50 € you spent on toilet access. This is valid for one year and can be used on any rest area within Austria.

The smaller rest areas without a contractor for food and gas, i.e. those maintained by Asfinag itself, do not charge any money for toilet access.
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Old October 21st, 2016, 11:03 AM   #4248
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Guys, I think you really went off topic of the thread, so... let`s talk about austrian road infrastructures
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Old October 21st, 2016, 12:09 PM   #4249
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On the other hands, free toilets mean less money to clean them, like in Italy.
You shouldn't call them 'free' if the motorway itself is tolled. Why do I have to pay extra for toilet if I already paid to use the motorway? That service should be included in the toll.
For example, in Poland all toilets on motorways are free (even on those motorways that are toll-free).
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Old October 21st, 2016, 12:47 PM   #4250
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You shouldn't call them 'free' if the motorway itself is tolled. Why do I have to pay extra for toilet if I already paid to use the motorway? That service should be included in the toll.
For example, in Poland all toilets on motorways are free (even on those motorways that are toll-free).
It should be - no, has to be - exactly like this. Look at Croatia also...

And the situation in Germany is a cheek! 1 Euro for using the toilet is ridiculous expensive. And using 80 cent in the absolutely overpriced shops doesn't help there. I don't want to buy a overpriced coffee for 3 Euro when I have to go to the toilet to save 80 Cent there... And it's working on the non-gas-station rest areas without paying extra money. It's all about getting money, money, money, money

But wasn't there a lawsuit of Asfinag against gas station operators that the toilets of those rest areas have to free?
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Old October 21st, 2016, 12:57 PM   #4251
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You shouldn't call them 'free' if the motorway itself is tolled. Why do I have to pay extra for toilet if I already paid to use the motorway? That service should be included in the toll.
For example, in Poland all toilets on motorways are free (even on those motorways that are toll-free).
I can't follow your reasoning. Tolled motorways do not automatically mean free toilets. Otherwise you should not pay for coffee, or food, or refueling.
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Old October 21st, 2016, 01:20 PM   #4252
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I can't follow your reasoning. Tolled motorways do not automatically mean free toilets. Otherwise you should not pay for coffee, or food, or refueling.
It's not exactly the same. Keep a toilet functioning implies mostly fixed costs (i.e. not depending by the number of users, as water, soap and toilet paper don't cost that much, and regular cleaning and maintenance has to be done anyway). The costs for providing fuel, food, etc..., instead, is mostly variable (i.e. related to the quantity of product sold).
Prices in rest areas are mostly very inflated (like 2.50€ for a cup of coffee in Austria), so, considering that a large share of people who stop for toilet also eat and/or drink something, there is already a good margin left for cleaning.
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Old October 21st, 2016, 01:25 PM   #4253
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It's not exactly the same. Keep a toilet functioning implies mostly fixed costs (i.e. not depending by the number of users, as water, soap and toilet paper don't cost that much, and regular cleaning and maintenance has to be done anyway). The costs for providing fuel, food, etc..., instead, is mostly variable (i.e. related to the quantity of product sold).
Prices in rest areas are mostly very inflated (like 2.50€ for a cup of coffee in Austria), so, considering that a large share of people who stop for toilet also eat and/or drink something, there is already a good margin left for cleaning.
Coffee costs a lot more than in Italy everywhere, not only on motorways.
Besides, toilets are managed by rest areas, not the motorway concessionaire, so the equation tolled motorway=free toilets does not apply.
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Besides, toilets are managed by rest areas, not the motorway concessionaire, so the equation tolled motorway=free toilets does not apply.
Then it is a matter of an agreement between the concessionaire and the manager of rest area (and lack of good will).
I suppose that rest areas need to pay some fees to the concessionaire. So the cost of managing toilets could be reduced from the fee...
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Old October 21st, 2016, 06:53 PM   #4255
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And the situation in Germany is a cheek! 1 Euro for using the toilet is ridiculous expensive. And using 80 cent in the absolutely overpriced shops doesn't help there.
I think it costs 70 cent and you can cash 50 cent at the overpriced shops. I'm not sure because I usually go to PWCs or McD restaurants et cetera. I drove a lot on Autobahns in 2015/16 but I think I've only paid 70 cent once and I let the ticket in the machine so that anyone else could cash it at the shop...
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Old October 21st, 2016, 07:54 PM   #4256
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I once bought a "free" strawberry milk with a collection of 4 toilet tickets
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Old October 22nd, 2016, 02:34 PM   #4257
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Unfortunately, they don't let you use multiple tickets without paying some money extra. I remember stopping at BP in Austria (on A8, Aistersheim rest stop) and even though I had 3 toilet vouchers, I could only use one for each full euro consumed in the shop. Their toilet was disgusting, but that's a different issue. So one lousy overpriced coffee was € 2,30 minus € 1,00 for 2 vouchers. Not really fair, if you ask me.
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This wasn't the case with me. Once they even accepted more than a year old voucher (probably by mistake)
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 10:01 AM   #4259
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This wasn't the case with me. Once they even accepted more than a year old voucher (probably by mistake)
It seems that you can cumulate them in Austria. They are valid for one year. Source.

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Was viele Konsumenten nicht wissen: Die Gutscheine sind an allen Raststationen und Autobahntankstellen einlösbar, sind übertragbar, können kumuliert werden und sind ein ganzes Jahr lang gültig

I couldn't find a good German source but a 2013 news article reports that it's valid for 4 years. You can cash 50 out of 70 cent at the rest area shop, shopping centers (if there are rest rooms from the same company) and some parnter companies.

It's different at Autohöfen (rest areas which are located at exits). You get 100% back at the shop. There was a special promotion in summer 2015. You had to pay 50 cent but got back 70 cent at the shop. Source. It's also reported that 10% (or even 20%) of the vouchers are not cashed but thrown away.
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I once bought a "free" strawberry milk with a collection of 4 toilet tickets
As far as I remember, you can use one ticket for one item. Maybe it depends on the station and person who is at the counter.
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