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Old October 24th, 2016, 02:07 AM   #4261
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Actually it's the same in Austria. On rest areas which charge for toilet access (usually the larger ones which also include gas stations and restaurants), you get a 0,50 € voucher for the 0,50 € you spent on toilet access. This is valid for one year and can be used on any rest area within Austria.

The smaller rest areas without a contractor for food and gas, i.e. those maintained by Asfinag itself, do not charge any money for toilet access.
This was the biggest shock for me in Austria

When I had just landed in Vienna, left all my stuff in the hotel room and started exploring the city centre I really needed to use the toilet so I went into some random McDonald's, when I saw some turnstile that would only let me enter if I inserted a 50 cent coin

The voucher thing confused me too, I thought it could get me a refund but apparently it could only be used as a discount... so I already bought a sundae just to get myself the 50 cent coin (had no change since I just landed) and didn't even get to reimburse afterwards
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Old October 24th, 2016, 11:08 AM   #4262
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I think it costs 70 cent and you can cash 50 cent at the overpriced shops. I'm not sure because I usually go to PWCs or McD restaurants et cetera. I drove a lot on Autobahns in 2015/16 but I think I've only paid 70 cent once and I let the ticket in the machine so that anyone else could cash it at the shop...
Yes, maybe. I don't spend money there also... If it's 100 Cent and 80 Cent or 70 Cent and 50 Cent doesn't matter. Rip-off stays rip-off
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Old October 25th, 2016, 07:20 AM   #4263
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2 euro for a bathroom and I am pissing on the nearest tree or wall. Out of principal. And I am not young by any stretch of the imagination. Have Austrians become so weak that they just take it and actually pay up instead of just pissing on the wall of the building in protest if nothing else?
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Old October 25th, 2016, 09:42 AM   #4264
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2 euro for a bathroom and I am pissing on the nearest tree or wall. Out of principal. And I am not young by any stretch of the imagination. Have Austrians become so weak that they just take it and actually pay up instead of just pissing on the wall of the building in protest if nothing else?
No. I guess that they are just well-educated.
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Old October 25th, 2016, 10:14 AM   #4265
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I never knew pissing on walls and stinking up public places could be a matter of civil disobedience.
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Old October 26th, 2016, 12:49 AM   #4266
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Some years ago the, now defunct, mapping service norc.ro offered street view service of Vienna. Are those imagery still somewhere else available on the net or have they been fully deleted? I know that any street view service is now illegal under Austrian law, and maybe it's the reason why norc.ro was shut down.
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Old October 30th, 2016, 12:01 AM   #4267
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Actually it's the same in Austria. On rest areas which charge for toilet access (usually the larger ones which also include gas stations and restaurants), you get a 0,50 € voucher for the 0,50 € you spent on toilet access. This is valid for one year and can be used on any rest area within Austria.

The smaller rest areas without a contractor for food and gas, i.e. those maintained by Asfinag itself, do not charge any money for toilet access.
I don't understand why they do this and I didn't understood the first time I went in Austria by roads...

Because in France (and in other countries), they are (in my opinion) smarter, they provide a free access to toilets (which, by the way, probably don't cost that much in cleaning...) and while you came for this natural and evident need, you will purchase other things like coffee or gas or food, etc... This way, it feels way more natural to me! I hate the Austrian way, having to pay for the basic service and having a voucher who push you to buy something or loosing you money is simply stupid to me...

But one time, this poor situation pushed me to go outside of the highway to see how gas station were, and I was not disapointed, the gas is WAY WAY cheaper and they offer a free access to toilets, simply incredible Those austrian highway gas station are a pure stealing in any possible way...
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 08:15 PM   #4268
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The A3 extension to Hungary is coming into play again: http://www.heute.at/freizeit/motor/A...t23669,1364115

For what it's worth, the poll by Heute.at has an 83% 'yes' vote for the motorway extension.
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Old November 21st, 2016, 11:59 PM   #4269
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About this toilet thing: On ASFINAG rest areas it's obviously free. However, there are many rest areas that are operated by private companies (Rosenberger or OMV etc.). For years these private subcontractors have lobbied for being allowed to charge for toilet use. Then some even started to introduce it, which led to criticism by ASFINAG, touring clubs etc. ASFINAG even considered taking the matter to court but apparently their contracts didn't have any clause or provision for the matter so they feared they might lose. In the end an agreement was found: The voucher system. These vouchers are valid in ANY rest area and are valid for a year.
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Old November 28th, 2016, 10:07 AM   #4270
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A5: Poysbrunn – Schrick 25km (April 2015 to Late 2017) – projectmap
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"Der Bau geht zügig voran und es wird mit Volldampf gearbeitet, damit die Eröffnung der A 5 im Dezember 2017 stattfindet"
The construction is proceeding well and they work hard so that A5 opening will take place in December 2017.

http://www.asfinag.at/newsroom/press...chritten-voran
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Old November 28th, 2016, 11:58 AM   #4271
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Regarding the A5 extension, in the lack of other up-to-date photos, a few photos collected from various press releases & articles in the last few months:

- Map overview of the section by ASFINAG


- Interchange at Walterskirchen, here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/48.6520/16.6945

(Photo: Kurier)

- Bridge of the relocated B7, on the lower-left part the works on the motorway, north of Schrick: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/48.5303/16.6296

(Photo: ORF/ASFINAG)

- Bridge at the Wilfersdorf Süd interchange, a rather old image, though, traffic is going over that bridge since several months: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/48.5628/16.6353


- In late summer, they found the fossils of tusks of a giant mammoth:

(Photo: ASFINAG)

- A few images from June 2016, from the section between Wilfersdorf and Walterskirchen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/48.6334/16.6819



(Photos: NÖN)
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Old December 27th, 2016, 01:02 PM   #4272
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Countdown to new Marchfeld expressway:
https://www.w24.at/Nachrichten/247918

S8 construction start could in 2019 begin. Actualised info on ASFINAG page: http://www.asfinag.at/unterwegs/baup...bersiebenbrunn
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Old December 27th, 2016, 03:47 PM   #4273
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Countdown to new Marchfeld expressway:
https://www.w24.at/Nachrichten/247918

S8 construction start could in 2019 begin. Actualised info on ASFINAG page: http://www.asfinag.at/unterwegs/baup...bersiebenbrunn
Will it be a second motorway link between Vienna and Bratislava?
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Old December 27th, 2016, 04:47 PM   #4274
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Will it be a second motorway link between Vienna and Bratislava?
It most probably will, however, construction start of the first part of S8 is a perequisite as well as construction continuation of the second Vienna ring up to the north. Nevertheless, county Niederosterreich financed already part of the study of S8. Bratislavský kraj county also could be more initiative to find out at least temporary solution to the road connection between these cities north of Danube. Bridge across March/Morava river as part of the future expressway connecting roads of both countries could be one of the solutions.
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Old December 27th, 2016, 10:15 PM   #4275
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Sorry to break your enthusiasms, but hold your horses a little while :-)

First, the news report you quote here is from August, and it just says that the ASFINAG (the motorway operating company) has finished their planning.

Meanwhile, the environmental approval (Umweltverträglichkeitsprüfung, UVP) hearing has still been ongoing, there have been several additional hearings, because more information has been requested from ASFINAG. See e.g. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...9&postcount=99 for a report (in German).

So it might take a few more months for the UVP verdict to be published. Assuming the environmental approval is given, you can bet on an appeal being filed - and that can take easily up to another year. I have seen a few that took >= 1.5 years (though recently one appeal was rejected after "just" 6 months). So given previous experiences, this procedure could easily last well into 2018.
Once the appeal would be rejected, you still need a few more permissions to be granted, though they are normally not that an obstacle once the UVP is legal.
If all that goes well, 2019 is a potential (but rather optimistic) start.

But around 3 years ago, ASFINAG was quoting "2nd half 2014 on their page", and even that was a deadline pushed back a few times already. So, I wouldn't take an update on the ASFINAG website to 2019 for a realistic term just yet..


Secondly, all the planning is only for around half the way to the border, to "Obersiebenbrunn", see the map below:

There is no indicative route, detailed planning, timeframe, or financial commitment for the second part.


Finally, yes, as mentioned by Ices, for the S8 to be connected to any other motorway on the existing network, also the S1, the "outer ring motor/expressway" around Vienna, needs to be continued, and the piece in question that is required also contains the (in)famous Lobau-tunnel under the Danube wetlands national park - see the map below:


There is already an UVP issued for that part since March 2015, but it is contested, and there is no verdict yet. Also, there is (again!) political talk about it, because the green party which is in the coalition in Vienna is opposing the tunnel, and they'd like an alternative Danube crossing (likely a bride) - but that then does not connect towards the S8, but rather to the A23/A222 interchange "Kaisermühlen" in Vienna (in the image above, just visible on the left edge as "Knoten Kaisermühlen").

In this case, even if S8 still gets build, you likely a new environmental approval for the section that would be "taken over" from the S1 plans.. That can take many years as well...
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Old December 27th, 2016, 11:50 PM   #4276
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Nobody needs this stupid road!!!

There are 2 perfectly straight railways in the region that have a lot of potential for additional services and increased frequencies! But the southern one, which is the shortest connection between Vienna and Bratislava by rail, still hasn't been modernized and improved since the fall of communism!
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Old December 28th, 2016, 12:06 AM   #4277
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Nobody needs this stupid road!!!

There are 2 perfectly straight railways in the region that have a lot of potential for additional services and increased frequencies! But the southern one, which is the shortest connection between Vienna and Bratislava by rail, still hasn't been modernized and improved since the fall of communism!
Roads and railways aren't mutually exclusive.
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Old December 28th, 2016, 01:35 AM   #4278
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Of course not, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to build a commuting motorway and then expect numbers to rise on the shitty railway...........
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Old December 29th, 2016, 10:21 PM   #4279
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Before possibly another green, or railway enthusiast tries to bash road, motorways projects, well maybe it is up to moderation team to decide, let me answer rudi´s post.

These detailed facts are good information. Generally roads and motorway in densely urbanised areas are much more complicated when it comes to approvals. With strong green lobby in city government thumbs up so that at least the part of motorway/expressway projects will get their construction started. Also in Bratislava, regarding D4, the nearer the city center, the more approval problems usually.

I think, however that section Gansendorf - SK border has at least a kind of technical study and the route is more or less fixed. But ASFINAG also does not have leaflet information for this section, so it seems it is really a long term issue.
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Old December 31st, 2016, 12:17 AM   #4280
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I'm not a environmentalist, for your info.

Projects like the Nord Autobahn are extremely senseful and important. But the S8 is just a waste of money, you do not need motorways for commuters. And I don't believe it will do a good job of relieving the cities along the B8.

But go on, discredit me and call me a green if you prefer that, I don't care.
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