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Old March 23rd, 2009, 01:21 PM   #641
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Well, their network is pretty much completed by now...
If we are talking about international connections then I don't think so. Austria is well connected with WE, but they have a lot to catch up since fall of the iron curtain. AU has good connection only with Slovenia. There is only one motorway between AU and HU, they needed almost 20 years to build motorway from Vienna to Bratislava which are virtually next to each other and there is still not a single motorway between Austria and Czech Republic.

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Old March 23rd, 2009, 08:44 PM   #643
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Well, their network is pretty much completed by now...
Quite extensive network, but far from completed. The fact that Austria's motorway network is already quite dense, is a bad excuse for not building virtually anything any more. They needed whole eternity to build short A6, and other missing motorways/expressways they aren't building at all. Vienna - CZ, Linz - CZ, Graz - H, A3 to Sopron, NIMBYs stopped plans for a motorway to CH. They have built far too few in the last 20 years. Btw, is there a motorway/expressway planned from Feldkirch to Liechtenstein? I've seen it on some maps.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 09:33 PM   #644
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weird, but i agree with Slovenian. so, as long as A doesn't make any motorways in direction CZ - i'll consider their network far from completed. also, that A9 gap is irritating. and i expect conection of A12 with A10 finally.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 10:07 PM   #645
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There will never be a motorway between A12 and A10, you can go via Germany. And what A9 gap do you mean? Single-tube tunnels?
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 10:12 PM   #646
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yes, Klaus - Sankt Pankraz.

about A10-A12 connection - it is kinda ok for direction Wien - Innsbruck, but if you go from Slovenia to Switzerland, it would be the shortest way and going through D means quite a detour (other option is going via I)
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A10 -> A12 won't happen. A quality connection under Thurn Paß and some alignment modifications of B-roads (like some parts from Spittal to Lienz) would probably be enough (but won't happen few decades, too)
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 10:24 PM   #648
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yes, Klaus - Sankt Pankraz.
But that's not the only single-tube section in Austria, not even on A9.

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about A10-A12 connection - it is kinda ok for direction Wien - Innsbruck, but if you go from Slovenia to Switzerland, it would be the shortest way and going through D means quite a detour (other option is going via I)
I don't think we can expect that, there's even quite a long gap between A12 and A14. Btw, there's a direct motorway planned in Germany between Salzburg (Rosenheim) and Bregenz (not via Munich), but it probably won't be built soon.
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You're referring to the A 98 project (Irschenberg (A8) - Weilheim - Kempten - Lindau - Friedrichshafen - Basel), don't you? If so, this is not a current project but was abandonned decades ago! Some stretches in the Upper Rhine/Black Forest region and south of Kempten were buildt, but then they stopped it (luckily, as it would have destroyed lots of prealpine environment without much advantage for traffic IMHO).

With the finish of the German A 96, the route via Munich probably wouldn't be much of a detour from Salzburg to Bregenz. Especially because the lower Inn valley often suffers from jams and the Arlberg route is 1+1 only (and you have to pay for the tunnel).

I don't think that a Austrian motorway between Bischofshofen or somewhere there and the Inn valley will ever be buildt because there's already a connection via Bavaria. Doubling that one would be, well, senseless because even then the "Deutsches Eck" would be the direct option for most innner-Austrian traffic coming from Linz. Therefore, the only really advantage would be for northbound Tauern traffic to Tyrol which is probably way too small to justify a new motorway at all. Last but not least, construction in an alpine surrounding would be very expensive and is always a heavy influence on the environment which should be avoided whenever possible IMO.
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Weird, I think I've seen plans for A98 west of Rosenheim even on some newer maps.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 06:57 PM   #651
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A Lienz bypass and good B-road from Spittal would do a lot (every few years some extension is built). Felbertaurentunnel road is very good, only some faster connection to Kitzbühel would be needed. Motorway is not needed.
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Can anyone tell me the average waiting times for the Katschbergtunnel and the Tauerntunnel on a friday in summer?
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Can someone post pictures of the Road 148, starting from the German border, it looks very good.
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Can anyone tell me the average waiting times for the Katschbergtunnel and the Tauerntunnel on a friday in summer?
Last summer, the delays were up to 4 hours on the A10 on black saturdays. But don't expect it to be much better on fridays...
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Old March 25th, 2009, 12:23 AM   #655
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What about such friday's, but early in the morning?
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Also busy, but better. The best is to avoid driving in the Alps or France during fridays and saturdays in the summer.
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Well, we have to, b/c when going to Slovenia, there are no good alternatives. The best is probably to get a hotel just before the tunnels or just after them.
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Listen to the traffic information... If there is "blockabfertigung", you're at least experiencing an half hour delay, but more often 1 - 4 hours. The Tauerntunnel is generally the worst in the Alps on busy days, even worse than the Gotthard.

Anyway, the route via Graz (A9 I guess) also has one lane tunnels, but is much more quiet. But it depends on which location in Slovenia you want to be.
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Bled, that's why we have to take the Tauernautobahn. Slovenia is very tiny anyway, so it doesn't really matter which route you take, you'll always end up near your destination
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If you're not pulling a caravan, you might want to consider the Felbertauern route via Lienz. It's not faster than the Tauerntunnel, but it's scenic, and driving is always better than wait on the tarmac for 2 or 3 hours.
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