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Old June 25th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #741
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no matter.

just found this interesting links:

http://kaernten.orf.at/stories/345500/

http://www.ktn.gv.at/27987_DE-ktn.gv...acktrack=27987
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Old June 25th, 2009, 10:53 PM   #742
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How old is that motorway?
It was built in the end of 60s.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 12:07 AM   #743
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Wait a moment: if I understand correctly it looks that they managed to build a new 140 m long motorway viaduct in just 3 and 1/2 months?
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Old June 26th, 2009, 10:36 AM   #744
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they say its rekord-time and they had a lot of workers ~100
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Old June 26th, 2009, 11:46 AM   #745
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That is only to congratulate! In my country those times are only science fiction.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 02:54 PM   #746
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That is only to congratulate! In my country those times are only science fiction.
They are still slow,think of the german army during WWII,they've rebuilt bridges in a night!
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Old June 26th, 2009, 04:39 PM   #747
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I wouldn't compare pontoon-style repair with building a completely new concrete viaduct.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 06:51 PM   #748
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Holy cow, that's quick! In this country you can only dream about such construction speeds!
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Old June 26th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #749
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It's all about money, nothing more.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 08:05 PM   #750
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Still, renovation of 3 km long motorway costs about 19 million €, that is actually very expensive, considering that layout does not change at all.
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Old June 27th, 2009, 02:17 AM   #751
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Wait a moment: if I understand correctly it looks that they managed to build a new 140 m long motorway viaduct in just 3 and 1/2 months?
In theory it could be done in less time, with sufficient crews and equipment.

Clearing and grubbing + piling is a one night job :P
Then you do lean concrete foundation, stepped elevation and pier heads.
Launching the beams, casting the deck slab and doing the finishing works should also be a piece of cake
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Old June 27th, 2009, 11:52 AM   #752
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building in the night (outside of tunnels) is difficult and expensive

specially on weekends (+ 100%)


so it surely makes no sense if it´s no real "emergency"
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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:05 AM   #753
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building in the night (outside of tunnels) is difficult and expensive

specially on weekends (+ 100%)

so it surely makes no sense if it´s no real "emergency"
Hmmm... 100%??
Why??

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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:13 AM   #754
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that´s true, but in germany, (and probably in Austria aswell) the employers have to pay way more money for the night shifts and for weekends by law, I think if an employers lets people work during Saturday night for example he has to pay 150 % of the normal hourly pay, so such a project would get way more expensive.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:19 AM   #755
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Yeah, I get 150% outside office hours (7 - 19) and 200% before 6 am and on weekends.
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Nice. I get only extra hours.
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Yeah, I get 150% outside office hours (7 - 19) and 200% before 6 am and on weekends.

here the same; I think Saturday is regular; the other 50% and 100% plus.

but may it´s different on construction sites, because they´ve to collect hours for the winter months ...
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Are there any motorways closed in Austria due to the flooding in the north?
now there are problems ... on A1

http://ooe.orf.at/stories/371539/
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that´s true, but in germany, (and probably in Austria aswell) the employers have to pay way more money for the night shifts and for weekends by law, I think if an employers lets people work during Saturday night for example he has to pay 150 % of the normal hourly pay, so such a project would get way more expensive.
I'm not talking about "extra hours" here, I'm talking about workers hired in different shifts. This should not bring abhorrent additional costs like the ones mentioned above.
And the statements above regarding the working hours of the Transylvania Motorway are really based on my personal observations. I personally saw works underway at midnight between Saturday and Sunday, or at Sunday afternoon at 7 PM. The Italians from Tirena-Scani / Pizzarotti are also working on Sundays at the Cluj east bypass. The spaniards from FCC have been seen at work at Sundays also rehabilitating DN 1C - E578 Cluj - Dej.
If this is seen in Romania, i see no reason why it shouldn't happen in the rest of the EU... unless we are talking about countries where the unions really are stronger than a government... even in these recession times...
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Old June 29th, 2009, 02:08 AM   #760
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you don´t get it, it is great for Romania, (and for Bulgaria Ljulin motorway) that they work at night and Saturdays/ Sundays, but in Austria if the employer hires people to work at those times, he will still have to pay extra money, even if he uses different people that work only those shifts, law is law and even if you hire a person only to work at Saturdays and Sundays you will have to pay the extra money. So hiring some people for Monday to Friday, and others from Saturday to Sunday wouldn´t make a difference, you would jsut pay the money to different people, but you would pay the extra money. That´s how I see it, but maybe I don´t get what you are trying to say.

And Austria and Germany don´t have very good roads anyway, Germany did a lot last time and they are pretty good now, but 5 years ago, most roads were very old and ugly, the same is with Austria, they have bumpy concrete motorways for hundrets of kilometers while Hungary and slovenia have very smooth and very soft black asphalt and incandescent markings. The best roads I ave seen in Germany are in Beyern, lots of new roads, but I´ve only been to Baden- Württenberg and Beyern and I don´t even wish to see the other country states, they are way too much north.
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