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Old August 1st, 2009, 06:53 PM   #821
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I did that last route last May. But that was because I had to be in Kranjska Gora - then i't much cheapter ans quicklier to avoid the tunnel (of passes) and drive through Italy.
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Old August 1st, 2009, 10:41 PM   #822
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Today there was 35 km long traffic jam before Tauern tunnel on A10 resulting in 6 hours waiting time.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 03:18 PM   #823
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I saw that mega-jam yesterday. I couldn't believe my eyes, it just wouldn't stop. Of course I went in the other direction.
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Old August 12th, 2009, 12:10 PM   #824
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A9 Phyrnautobahn

August 2009 part 1/4

coming from Salzburg -> Graz

all photos done and (C) by me !




getting to A9





left A1 goes on in direction Vienna
via a big, easy-to-drive curve we get on A9 @ Voralpenkreuz

























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Old August 12th, 2009, 12:15 PM   #825
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Part 2/4



who thinks Tyrol has a lot of tunnels should drive the A9



































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Old August 12th, 2009, 12:20 PM   #826
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Part 3/4
































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Old August 12th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #827
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Part 4 / 4















this one is done from the restside area ... you see how boring the surrounding area is






getting to the end of my journey






for further informations and geographical informations:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyhrn_Autobahn
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Old August 12th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #828
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Nice

I think the Phyrnautobahn is far less travelled than the Tauernautobahn, especially outside the summer season.
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Old August 12th, 2009, 07:48 PM   #829
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Beautiful motorway. It's Pyhrnautobahn, btw.

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I think the Phyrnautobahn is far less travelled than the Tauernautobahn, especially outside the summer season.
I think just the opposite; A10 doesn't connect big cities, while in the summer you always hear of terrible traffic jams on A10, but not on A9.
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That's what I'm saying
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Old August 12th, 2009, 08:31 PM   #831
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There seem to be quite many 2-laned tunnels on the A9. On the A10 there is only one left.
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I don't think the summer traffic jams will be completely gone once there is a second tube on A10 Tauern. Even with 2x2 lanes, most of the A10 will flow near saturation point during summer saturdays. Since the big tunnel fires in the 90's, they are scared of tunnel congestion, so I think they will control the flow at the tunnels anyway by blockabfertigung. Congestion will be far less ofcourse, due to the fact that the capacity is twice as high.

Although they don't seem to do that for, say, the Seelisbergtunnel (9.7 km, 2x2 lanes) in Switzerland.
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Yeah, still the tollbooth will slow down traffic and the lower speed limit in the tunnels also slow down traffic.
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That's what I'm saying
I think the Pyhrnautobahn is more travelled outside summer than the Tauernautobahn (or at least not far less), but in the summer, A10 is much busier. You said the difference was bigger outside summer.
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The A10 is THE route for Germany <> Slovenia & Italy (so say the online route planers and the gps systems)

The A9 has not really a special need. But of course it connects the 2nd (GRaz) and 3rd biggest (Linz) City of Austria

So it´s interesting to see the different traffic volumes


I will post special route from Slovenian boarder (Jesenice) to Tyrol soon .. then you see there´s no real need for using A10
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You can find some traffic counts of A9 here. Mostly between 8.000 and 15.000 with some spikes to 20.000 and 34.000 AADT
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You can find some traffic counts of A9 here. Mostly between 8.000 and 15.000 with some spikes to 20.000 and 34.000 AADT
8,000 is minimum. Average of those numbers is even higher than 15,000, almost 18,000.

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The A10 is THE route for Germany <> Slovenia
I'm not sure. If you mean literally Slovenia, then of course it's true, because most people live in the western part of the country, but if you add Croatia (except western Croatia), Bosnia and so on, I've heard most people use A9 even to get to Salzburg or Munich, because it's cheaper than A10. With completion of Slovenian A4 and Maribor bypass even more Croats and Bosnians will use it.
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8,000 is minimum. Average of those numbers is even higher than 15,000, almost 18,000.
keep in mind that the average doesn't say much... it could be around 10.000 for 90% of it's route and 100.000 for the remaining 10%, but that doesn't make the road busy for the most part.

Even 34,000 is not much for a motorway around a big city.
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keep in mind that the average doesn't say much... it could be around 10.000 for 90% of it's route and 100.000 for the remaining 10%, but that doesn't make the road busy for the most part.
I know, but the median seems to be ~15,000. What you wrote looks more like minimum to me.
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I've heard most people use A9 even to get to Salzburg or Munich, because it's cheaper than A10. With completion of Slovenian A4 and Maribor bypass even more Croats and Bosnians will use it.

You have to pay toll 2times ...

as i remember once 8€ and once 5€


so ... A10 wouldn´t be more expensive, or ?!


btw: when it comes to hours of traffic jams or something like this, i would not look for a few Euros more or less, i would keep my eyes open for free roads !
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