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Old August 13th, 2009, 09:36 AM   #841
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The A9 is cheaper, but there isn't much difference. If you use the A11 and the A10 to get from Slovenia to Salzburg you have to pay toll twice, €9,50 for the Tauern- and Katschbergtunnel, and €6,50 for the Karawankentunnel. €16 or €13, the difference is one large beer
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Old August 13th, 2009, 09:42 AM   #842
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at the time i drove the route (last saturday)

we had absolutly no high traffic on the A9, even not near Graz.
At the toll stations there where maximum 5 cars per lane

As the radio speaker said at the same time on A10 there would have been 16km traffic jam (Blockabfertigung)
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Old August 13th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #843
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we had absolutly no high traffic on the A9, even not near Graz.
At the toll stations there where maximum 5 cars per lane

As the radio speaker said at the same time on A10 there would have been 16km traffic jam (Blockabfertigung)
That's because people just follow the standard route, or their GPS. Only a few take some time to check if there are reasonable alternatives.

Heading towards Slovenia or Croatia, the Felbertauern could be a good alternative for waiting 3 - 6 hours in the traffic jam. Or even the A9 towards Graz.
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Old August 13th, 2009, 10:30 AM   #844
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The A10 on a quiet day is no big deal. I passed it twice this summer, on a friday morning and on a tuesday afternoon. No congestion at all!
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Old August 13th, 2009, 10:35 AM   #845
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That's because people just follow the standard route, or their GPS. Only a few take some time to check if there are reasonable alternatives.

thats what i said in post #817



the Felbertauern has one advantage more:
you save the half route of "kleines deutsches eck" from salzburg to munich
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Old August 13th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #846
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But it has disadvantage, that toward north road is not good (in terms of speed).
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Old August 13th, 2009, 02:22 PM   #847
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for me it was no problem cause i had to drive to Vorarlberg, which saves time and the complete german track.

for people driving to Germany it´s not that good solution.


The average speed was ok, the landscape is nice ... but it needs a bit of time


but wait till i post the photos
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Old August 13th, 2009, 03:59 PM   #848
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but wait till i post the photos
No problem for me, I'm almost every year on that road (because of mountains - Hoche Tauern)
I'm rather waiting for road to Lienz becoming faster. I hope two bypasses, which are missing will be built soon. And Lienz bypass probably being only a longterm wish.
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Old August 14th, 2009, 12:08 PM   #849
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A2 I/AT border - Knoten Villach

The A2 brings you from the Italian A23 to the Tauernautobahn (A10), in 25 km. The A2 itself continues to Vienna.

1. Just after the border.



2. Some roadworks.



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4. Apparently there was nothing going on



5. Beautiful mountain ahead. From the tripoint (Mt. Peč) you have an excellent view on this mountain (and antenna )



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7. Rusty shoulder, oh my



8. Getting closer to Villach.



9. Knoten Villach ahead.



10. We're leaving the A2 here. Sorry for the unsharp photo



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Old August 14th, 2009, 12:41 PM   #850
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5. Beautiful mountain ahead. From the tripoint (Mt. Peč) you have an excellent view on this mountain (and antenna )


this is the dobratsch... (accesible on the villacher panorama road)

we were there last week...

and we've visited the Dreilanderek (border of three countries) too:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...07274&t=p&z=12

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Old August 14th, 2009, 06:03 PM   #851
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Gipfel des Ofen. Nice pics; I hate that 100-km/h speed limit on the whole Villach bypass, the city isn't big at all, and you can hardly see it from the bypass anyway.
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Old August 14th, 2009, 06:20 PM   #852
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The same is valid for other nonsense 100 km/h speed limits on A10 (between both long tunnels and before Salzburg)
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^ They are all over Austria (at least on mountainous sections and by cities), but I've noticed even Austrians don't follow them.
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Old August 14th, 2009, 06:37 PM   #854
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Depends. Austrians follow those limits, foreigners don't. In my experience I never saw car with Austrian licence plate to go more than 10 km over the limit. I always turn on cruise control on those sections, because they are mostly straight and therefore boring as hell (especially before Salzburg) and you can easily go over the limit.

I heard that going over those limits is sanctioned quite differently (read: much higher fines) than it is usual because of some environment legislation.
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Yeah, I heard they fine those as an environmental offense.

Utter moronism of course
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When I went from Graz to Villach not long ago, Austrians didn't follow the 100-km/h speed limit, but were easily doing 120-130 km/h, only a few foreigners followed the limit. When I went to Germany, a lot of foreigners with personal cars (no trailer or anything) were driving 90 km/h, so we were overtaking them by bus all the time.
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When I went to Germany, a lot of foreigners with personal cars (no trailer or anything) were driving 90 km/h, so we were overtaking them by bus all the time.
I never understood those people. I mean, I know not everybody feels comfortable driving German-style with 120 - 180 - 120 all the time, but at least cruise like 120 - 130 km/h.

I saw some trucks overtaking cars on the motorway recently too... I can completely understand those truckers, but such cars should be fined imo. The problem is this kind of stuff is not really enforcable.
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Yeah, I heard they fine those as an environmental offense.

Utter moronism of course
I heard, that fines for even small speed offense can go over 500 €. That's why I'm always careful on Tauern Autobahn, because signage which tells you, what is normal speed limit and what environmental speed limit is, is insufficient and hardly legible.

Also did you know, that in the night speed limit on A10 is only 110 km/h. That tell you only some scarce billboards with pretty small letters.
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Is there a lot of enforcement on the A10?
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I thought there was some 160 km/h limit on the A10 somewhere...
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