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Old October 31st, 2009, 02:15 PM   #1001
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If you're approaching Vienna from the North, as in that picture, the fastet route to Bratislava would be via the ferry in Angern. Even if you went south to Hainburg (B9), which I wouldn't do unless the crossing at Angern is closed because of high water levels (which happens), it would still be faster than the A23-A4-A6 combo - under normal conditions, of course.
So it makes sense that SK or Bratislava is missing from that sign.
But the signs look like sh... anyway.
I hope you are just kidding. Not a single serious road authority could navigate to ferry in Angern. That's good for local traffic between villages close to the border, not as a connection between Bratislava and Vienna. That ferry is out of order almost everytime when it rains not to mention it's useless for freight traffic. Real connection of Slovakia and Austria (Bratislava and Vienna) are only B9 - I/61 and A6 - D4 both in Bratislava south of Danube and all signs should navigate you there. It could be changed when new connection: S8 - D4 north of Danube will be finished.

This is the best way how to get from S2 to Bratislava and this is what should be signed: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...,1.234589&z=10
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Old October 31st, 2009, 03:08 PM   #1002
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I hope you are just kidding. Not a single serious road authority could navigate to ferry in Angern. That's good for local traffic between villages close to the border, not as a connection between Bratislava and Vienna. That ferry is out of order almost everytime when it rains not to mention it's useless for freight traffic. Real connection of Slovakia and Austria (Bratislava and Vienna) are only B9 - I/61 and A6 - D4 both in Bratislava south of Danube and all signs should navigate you there. It could be changed when new connection: S8 - D4 north of Danube will be finished.

This is the best way how to get from S2 to Bratislava and this is what should be signed: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...,1.234589&z=10
I wasn't talking about truck traffic. And all I was saying is that if you're already east of Vienna, you're not that far from the border. I wouldn't drive the other way towards Vienna and one of the most congested roads in Austria and make a huge detour at that, but that's just me. Timewise, it'll probably be pretty much the same either way - except during rush hour in Vienna, when taking the backroads to the border may really save you some time.

You're probably right about the signage, though. Wouldn't be such a good idea to guide all the traffic through small towns, now that there's a freeway connection. I don't agree that it's necessarily the best way.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 03:22 PM   #1003
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So I was right! Besides, as I said, even if you miss the "right" exit (or "miss" it intentionally), you still have a possibility to go to Bratislava on motorways, and signs for Bratislava should only stop after the Vösendorf junction (A2×S1×A21), where it's the last possibility to turn to Bratislava. As I said, we also still sign Trieste on A1, even if you miss the exit for A3.

Anyway, the new expressway sections are already open!
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Old October 31st, 2009, 03:34 PM   #1004
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They should just put "Alle Richtungen" on that sign, the way they do in France.

Btw, are you sure SK isn't signed via S2-A23-A4, anyway? Maybe it's just missing from that particular sign, because they ran out of space? There's an SK oval on another sign you posted.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 06:10 PM   #1005
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^ That other sign seems to be on the future A5×S1 junction (where the S1 currently ends since today), but probably there's SK on the A23×A22 junction. It was just funny to see Italy, but not Slovakia.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 06:26 PM   #1006
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SK signs you can find frequently in the Vienna center, by the way.

There will be at least three road/expressway bridges over Morava river AT-SK border. Existing one Moravský Svaty Jan/Hohenau, even existing ferry at Záhorská Ves-Angern will be replaced with a bridge, hopefully in the near future. Pedestrian and cyclists bridge Devínska Nová Ves/Marchegg is approved as well and already mentioned expressway bridge, probably copying the railway bridge, this is a matter of probably 8-9 years.
More bridges will be probably not constructed in the next 10 years, although Vysoká pri Morave and Gajary are further options.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 06:45 PM   #1007
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SK signs you can find frequently in the Vienna center, by the way.

There will be at least three road/expressway bridges over Morava river AT-SK border. Existing one Moravský Svaty Jan/Hohenau, even existing ferry at Záhorská Ves-Angern will be replaced with a bridge, hopefully in the near future. Pedestrian and cyclists bridge Devínska Nová Ves/Marchegg is approved as well and already mentioned expressway bridge, probably copying the railway bridge, this is a matter of probably 8-9 years.
More bridges will be probably not constructed in the next 10 years, although Vysoká pri Morave and Gajary are further options.
I hate future tense.
We will wait and see, knowing Austrians you would have zillion information about that if there were any plans in next 5 years, that´s why i am sceptic and i think it is just wishful thinking.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 07:02 PM   #1008
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What is the status of the expressways north and east of Wien?

S1: Schwechat - Korneuburg
S3: Hollabrunn - Guntersdorf
S8: Deutsch-Wagram - Slovakian border
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Old October 31st, 2009, 09:23 PM   #1009
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i allways thought that Morava was larger river
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Old October 31st, 2009, 09:47 PM   #1010
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i allways thought that Morava was larger river
It is. Those pictures are surely not from SK-A border.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 09:49 PM   #1011
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LOL, of course they are.
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Old October 31st, 2009, 10:20 PM   #1012
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Any pics from newly opened S1 ?
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Old October 31st, 2009, 11:15 PM   #1013
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What is the status of the expressways north and east of Wien?

S1: Schwechat - Korneuburg
S3: Hollabrunn - Guntersdorf
S8: Deutsch-Wagram - Slovakian border
I would like to know that too. Some map showing built and U/C sections in Vienna area would be great as well.

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i allways thought that Morava was larger river
Morava is strongly dependant on current weather conditions. Sometimes it could be tiny calm river and in few days big floods may appear. Check e.g. this enormous flooded area at Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&...77162&t=h&z=14 or this picture.
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The Morava is a typical river fed by rainfall, just like the Meuse in the Netherlands, or the Ems in Germany. Larger rivers like the Rhine, Danube, Sava or Rhône are fed by melting snow/glaciers in the Alps. Other rivers, like the Volga or Elbe have a significant drainage area, so they're not dependent on rainfall or melting snow, but the Morava is a smaller river.
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What is the status of the expressways north and east of Wien?

S1: Schwechat - Korneuburg
S3: Hollabrunn - Guntersdorf
S8: Deutsch-Wagram - Slovakian border
S1: Schwechat - Sussenbrunn should be open in 2018
S1: Sussenbrunn - Eibesbrunn open today
S1: Eibesbrunn - Korneuburg will be open in February 2010

S3: Hollabrunn - Guntersdorf, start of construction 2012, should be ready in 2014

S8: construction start in 2011, ready in 2018
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S1: Sussenbrunn - Eibesbrunn open today
http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20091030_OTS0240

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first pictures Sussenbrunn - Eibesbrunn

http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum/read.php?3,129833
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Old November 1st, 2009, 12:02 AM   #1018
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Und wieder einmal hat man alles drauf geschrieben, was Platz hatte. Wer soll das bitte alles in wenigen Sekunden erfassen? Die Einheimischen brauchen die Namensflut nicht und die Fremden sind überfordert. Zum Glück gibt es heute Navis.
A very valid point. I never understood the flooding of destinations and numbers on Austrian signs. The font used only makes this worse (in my opinion, Austria uses one of the worst fonts in Europe).
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Old November 1st, 2009, 12:45 AM   #1019
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A very valid point. I never understood the flooding of destinations and numbers on Austrian signs. The font used only makes this worse (in my opinion, Austria uses one of the worst fonts in Europe).
This indeed looks weird (not to mention it doesn't include SK oval):
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i allways thought that Morava was larger river
you´ve mixed it with Morava in Serbia

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It is. Those pictures are surely not from SK-A border.
off course they are
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