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Old December 23rd, 2009, 01:14 PM   #1061
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now i will give maybe stupid question, but can somebody post simple map with S1 and S2 project (and to sign built sections)?
i know about S1 from Vösendorf (A2) to Schwechat (A4) and S2 from A23 to north, but somewhere in the north S2 merges with S1 if i am not wrong, but i don't know where. i also guess that S1 will continue from Schwechat over Danube near refinery to the north. where will be new bridge if that's true and how are works progressing on that?
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 03:21 PM   #1062
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Overview:
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 03:35 PM   #1063
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thanks, very informative
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Old January 7th, 2010, 03:54 PM   #1064
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A6

I was wondering what is the reason for so ''curvy'' austrian A6. It makes longer distance. But then I though probably because of the land price.
Anyway, it would be nice if this would be A6:

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Old January 7th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #1065
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I was looking into that few hours ago.

It is easy: with that alignment they need to negotiate with as few landowners as possible. It would be easiest to draw a straight line, but they would cut about twice of the parcels, which means twice of landowners. Also with this alignment they didn't cut most land parcels into two (which means additional cost for maintaining land for farmers), but they tried to minimise that as much as possible. Also around A6 there is a large wind farm and straight A6 would probably interfere with wind power stations.
And finally, alignment is probably (as seen on GE) the farthest as possible from existing settlements.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 04:21 PM   #1066
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in short: nimbyism and politics
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Old January 7th, 2010, 04:23 PM   #1067
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It is about 2-3 km difference, that 1-1,5 minutes of driving. Not a hard detour really.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 04:24 PM   #1068
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It is easy: with that alignment they need to negotiate with as few landowners as possible. It would be easiest to draw a straight line, but they would cut about twice of the parcels, which means twice of landowners. Also with this alignment they didn't cut most land parcels into two (which means additional cost for maintaining land for farmers), but they tried to minimise that as much as possible.
I thought exactly the same (after wondering ).

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Also around A6 there is a large wind farm and straight A6 would probably interfere with wind power stations.
Right. Now I remember I saw those wind farms on the photos.



Anyway, A2 Graz - Spielfeld and A4 Wien - Nickelsdorf had relative luck.

Motorway is constructed there on the same principe. As less parcels as possible. But still the result is relative straight line.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 04:27 PM   #1069
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also A1 between Linz and A9. not surprisingly they catch a lot of speeders doing more than 200kph on that part.
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Old January 7th, 2010, 04:29 PM   #1070
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Old January 7th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #1071
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The third part of S1 and the first part of A5 is going to opened in February/March this year!
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Old January 10th, 2010, 11:23 PM   #1072
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I am very curious about the new signs with TERN font, are there any so far? If not, then post some as soon as they are available pleaseee...
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Old January 11th, 2010, 08:22 PM   #1073
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There are. In the newly built exit on A4 and some in S2.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #1074
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There are. In the newly built exit on A4 and some in S2.
Wow, I din`t know that your font is already TERN. I am glad to hear that.
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Old January 12th, 2010, 02:51 PM   #1075
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But TERN is not shown on pictures on previous side, I think.
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Old January 18th, 2010, 08:25 PM   #1076
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I read the first 24 km of A5 will open on February 1st, 2010. Any chance this is delayed, or will it open on time?
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It supposed to open on time.
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:20 PM   #1078
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It is easy: with that alignment they need to negotiate with as few landowners as possible. It would be easiest to draw a straight line, but they would cut about twice of the parcels, which means twice of landowners. Also with this alignment they didn't cut most land parcels into two (which means additional cost for maintaining land for farmers), but they tried to minimise that as much as possible.

this is total idiotism...

we used to build secondary roads on the edge of the parcel and with very sharp curves...

but motorways?!?
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Old January 19th, 2010, 02:50 PM   #1079
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this is total idiotism...

we used to build secondary roads on the edge of the parcel and with very sharp curves...

but motorways?!?
I agree. Also in Slovakia there's plenty of roads in flat land with very sharp curves due to this parcel bullshit, but they were built decades if not centuries ago. I wonder how many cars were destroyed and how many people were injured or died at such useless curves on secondary roads. In case of motorways there are slightly different priorities then respecting parcels.

Compare alignment of Austrian A6 and Slovak D2 at the map posted above:
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What I don't understand about A6 is it's number. A1 - A6 all radiate from Wien, but A6 and A5 should be swapped, to remain in the system. Since A6 is older than A5, I don't understand why they didn't just number it A5.

A1 -> West
A2 -> South
A3 -> Southeast
A4 -> East
A5 -> North
A6 -> Northeast
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