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Old November 17th, 2010, 08:39 PM   #1241
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The Karawankentunnel (Villach - Ljubljana) will receive safety upgrades, not a second tube although I believe there is some pressure to spend some more money for a second tube.
Pressure is rising, hopefully in the next timeframe after 2016 would be done more.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:15 PM   #1242
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Do you mean postponed or really scrapped?
There is no such thing as "really scrapping" a road project. Something one government buries "for ever" could just as much be initiated again by the next government.


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I thought it would be the A7 that would be extended to meet the D3 at the Czech border. You're not suggesting it would be the 126, are you?
There are two projects; one was the A26, which would act as a western bypass of Linz. The other one is the S10, which runs from the A7 north of Linz towards the Czech border. It is currently U/C until Freistadt, but it seems the rest to the CZ border has been scrapped from the 2011 - 2016 investment period. But the Czechs are also not really constructing D3/R3 at the speed of light, so to say.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #1243
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The much needed S1 in Vienna between Schwechat and Süssenbrunn has also been put on hold, as I wrote earlier. The ASFINAG is practically broke and Vienna's anti-car Green Party is now in charge of infrastructure - you do the math.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #1244
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The S36 project south of Judenburg is also dead and not even on the list anymore, even though works have already started.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 09:51 PM   #1245
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But the Czechs are also not really constructing D3/R3 at the speed of light, so to say.
are they doing something on that route at all?
btw, i read that somewhere between České Budějovice and Dolní Dvořiště is one of the largest black points in CZ.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 10:01 PM   #1246
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The much needed S1 in Vienna between Schwechat and Süssenbrunn has also been put on hold, as I wrote earlier. The ASFINAG is practically broke and Vienna's anti-car Green Party is now in charge of infrastructure - you do the math.
Yes, the green party chooses the well-being of some frogs over humans just like that. I don't understand why they always award infrastructure to green parties in local governments. Deterioration of traffic flow guaranteed.

However, S1 is included in the 2011 - 2016 investment programme.

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S1 Wiener Außenring Schnellstraße, Schwechat–Süßenbrunn
• voraussichtlicher Baubeginn und Verkehrsfreigabe derzeit noch offen, abhängig von laufenden Gesprächen mit der Stadt Wien
• Gesamtkosten: W 1,7 Mrd. (abhängig vom Zeitpunkt der Umsetzung)

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Die S 1 Wr. Außenring Schnellstraße als Teil des Regionenrings zählt verkehrspolitisch zu den prioritären Projekten im Bauprogramm des hochrangigen Straßennetzes. Für die Realisierung der S 1 laufen intensive konstruktive Gespräche und Verhandlungen zwischen der Stadt Wien und bmvit/Asfinag. Asfinag und bmvit werden daher umgehend entsprechende Planungen in Angriff nehmen und voran treiben. Die Einreichung von Einreichprojekt und Umweltverträglichkeitserklärung (UVE) der S 1 Wiener Außenring Schnellstraße im Abschnitt Schwechat bis Süßenbrunn zum 1. teilkonzentrierten Genehmigungsverfahren beim BMVIT erfolgte am 27. März 2009.

Anmerkung: Das Projekt Schwechat – Süßenbrunn ist im Rahmenplan Niederösterreich ebenfalls angeführt.
It's a bit ironic the green party opposes a tunnel under the Donau river, while there are huge industrial areas in the exact same location, heck a huge refinery is located on the bank of the Donau.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 10:57 PM   #1247
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are they doing something on that route at all?
btw, i read that somewhere between České Budějovice and Dolní Dvořiště is one of the largest black points in CZ.
Well, they are doing something but that something is not enough anyway. So there is long missing part still.
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The problem is what else then money. The new minister Vít Barta is not willing to spend more than 12 mld CZK for a bypass of České Budějovice long 7,2 km (That is around 70 mil Euro per km) where a tunnel under "football pitch" was planned. To be honest I dont wonder.

A PPP project for the whole D3-R3 is said to come... ...

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Old November 19th, 2010, 12:34 PM   #1248
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ASFINAG, the Austrian motorway/expressway road authority, will invest € 6,5 billion in the 2011 - 2016 period. This is a rather drastic budget cut of € 2,8 billion or rougly 30%. (The rail budget cut is only some 10%).

Still, a large number of useful projects will be build.

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1) A14: 2nd tube Pfänder Tunnel + renovation existing tube
2) S16: construction Dalaaser Tunnel
3) Arlberg Tunnel: safety projects
4) A12: Innsbruck - Amras: traffic safety projects
5) A10: 2nd tube Tauern Tunnel + renovation existing tube
6) A11: safety measures Karawanken Tunnel
7) A9: 2nd tube Bosrücktunnel
8) A9: 2nd tubes Tunnelchain Klaus
9) S10: construction Unterweitersdorf - Freistadt
10) S34: construction St. Pölten - Wilhelmsburg
11) S3: construction Hollabrunn - Guntersdorf
12) A5: construction Poysbrunn - CZ border
13) A5: construction Schrick - Poysbrunn
14) S1: construction Knoten Schwechat - Süßenbrunn
15) S8: construction Knoten Deutsch Wagram - Gänserndorf
16) S8: construction Gänserndorf - SK border
17) A3: construction Eisenstadt - H border
18) S7: construction Riegersdorf - H border
19: A23; construction Landstraße Eurogate

The most visual projects are the construction of the S1, which is the eastern bypass of Wien (Vienna), including a Danube tunnel. Another big project is the construction of A5 from Wien to the Czech border. S8 will run towards the Slovak border, and S7 and A3 will be constructed to the Hungarian border.

This means the number of motorway border crossings in eastern Austria will be increased from 2 to 6.
I think you got it wrong (or perhaps me). If you look at tha map carefully there is "Autobahnprojekte nach 2016" which means "motorway projects after 2016". Cross-border sections (S10, S3, A5, S8 and A3) will be built after that year. The same applies for some sections of S34 and S16. Until 2016 plenty of Austrian Autobahns will approach the borders of CZ, SK and HU, but only S7 will actually reach the (HU) border.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 01:48 PM   #1249
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I think you got it wrong (or perhaps me). If you look at tha map carefully there is "Autobahnprojekte nach 2016" which means "motorway projects after 2016". Cross-border sections (S10, S3, A5, S8 and A3) will be built after that year. The same applies for some sections of S34 and S16. Until 2016 plenty of Austrian Autobahns will approach the borders of CZ, SK and HU, but only S7 will actually reach the (HU) border.
It looks like the solid yellow means by 2016 and the striped yellow/white means after 2016.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #1250
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The much needed S1 in Vienna between Schwechat and Süssenbrunn has also been put on hold, as I wrote earlier. The ASFINAG is practically broke and Vienna's anti-car Green Party is now in charge of infrastructure - you do the math.
Who needs the S1? STRABAG, PORR or Alpine?
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Old November 19th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #1251
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I think you got it wrong (or perhaps me). If you look at tha map carefully there is "Autobahnprojekte nach 2016" which means "motorway projects after 2016". Cross-border sections (S10, S3, A5, S8 and A3) will be built after that year. The same applies for some sections of S34 and S16. Until 2016 plenty of Austrian Autobahns will approach the borders of CZ, SK and HU, but only S7 will actually reach the (HU) border.
Well, I just used the list on the lower right of that graph.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 09:59 PM   #1252
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It looks like the solid yellow means by 2016 and the striped yellow/white means after 2016.
Yes, I think so.

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Well, I just used the list on the lower right of that graph.
It seems the list contains both projects for 2011 - 2016 period and projects after 2016. It's a pity not all those section will be built until 2016.

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Old November 20th, 2010, 12:39 AM   #1253
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Who needs the S1? STRABAG, PORR or Alpine?
Well, it might be so. The fact is that the capacity of the section by the Praterbruecke (A23) is almost over. I do not think that the real value of the National Park Donau-March-Auen at Lobau near Oil Habour Lobau would be so high (no so down the Danube stream).

No doubts that the participation of the local Green-Party at the goverment of Vienna now has to be considered (this party could play with such a political card...). However the key issue for the project of S1 in Lobau/Donau will be certainly the financing and the lack of money at ASFINAG. On the other hand the recommended route "CZ" etc. (S1/A4) noted at the juction Voesendorf (A2/A21/S1) has almost no sense - except of the "unloading" of the Wiener Suedosttangente A23.

The fact is that the delaying of the project of the S1 jeopardizes the project of S8 - the first section to Deutsch-Wagram included....
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 04:23 AM   #1254
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A lot of wrong stuff is written here: These Autobahn projects have been scrapped by the federal government, which is a coalition between conservatives and social democrats. The green party of Vienna had nothing to do with cancelling these projects!

The true reason is, that Austria is in a financially difficult situation, just like the rest of Europe, ASFINAG is completely broke and has billions of depts and then some projects were simply deemed unnecessary.

The criterion for a federal street (Autobahn, Schnellstraße) is that it serves an interregional purpose. In the case of Linz the new street would only be of intra-city purpose. Hence the city or the state of Upper Austria should build a street there, not the federal government.

In the end there are still way to many useless projects on the list, that will hopefully get cut sooner or later too.
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Old November 22nd, 2010, 09:09 AM   #1255
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In the end there are still way to many useless projects on the list, that will hopefully get cut sooner or later too.
Such as? You don't think the Austrian highway system should be integrated with that of its neighbors?
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Such as? You don't think the Austrian highway system should be integrated with that of its neighbors?
Yes and no. Our system is already pretty well integrated with our neighbor countries, except maybe for the eastern neighbors. But there the necessity of decent rail connections prevails the need for new autobahns.

However, most projects on the list have nothing to do with pan-European corridors, but mostly serve only a local purpose. Some are utterly useless, e.g.

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A14: 2nd tube Pfänder Tunnel + renovation existing tube
S16: construction Dalaaser Tunnel
The 2nd tube will not help anything at all. They claim there will be less traffic jams in Bregenz once it is finished. But the true reason for these jams are people who try to avoid Austrian autobahn tolls and just wanna transfer between Germany and Switzerland. In fact right now you can purchase a ticket for about 3,5€ that allows you to do just that. Once the 2nd tube will be completed, ASFINAG decided this option will not be available anymore. So in fact the 2nd tube will not do any good at all (except for maybe improving safety).

And the second project, Dalaaser tunnel, is stupid too, because S16 is already a very decent highway for cars. However recent measures have made it more and more attractive for trucks. Why is that bad? Because it will open a new North-South Alpine transit route. We already have the Brenner troubles, now we'll make it worse.
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The second tube in the Pfänder Tunnel is mainly a traffic safety feature I suppose. And the lack of trans-alpine routes is exactly why you have troubles (though not as big as the Gotthard) on the Brenner Pass..
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And the lack of trans-alpine routes is exactly why you have troubles on the Brenner Pass..
The problem is that Italians drink Evian and French drink San Pellegrino (and other unnecessary transports)

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(though not as big as the Gotthard)
Not really

(except when thousand of Dutch and German decide to move together)
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The problem is that Italians drink Evian and French drink San Pellegrino (and other unnecessary transports)
Such populist statements always seem to fare well in Switzerland and Austria, but fail to address the real problems... What they fail to see is that there is a major industrialized country with 60 million inhabitants south of the Alps that also has transportation needs.
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Yes but there is no need to transport cream from Switzerland to Central Italy, pack it there into bottles, and then bring it back to Switzerland (I remember this example, shown by an environmentalist group).
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