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Old December 25th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #1301
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A4 Ost Autobahn

Autobahn A4 will be widened to six lanes between Schwechat Airport and Knoten Bruckneudorf (A6) for about 24 kilometers. Construction should commence in 2015. The current traffic volumes are around 50.000 vehicles per day, including 7.000 trucks. It is the main motorway between Wien, Bratislava and Budapest.

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Old December 25th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #1302
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Doesn't it say 33,000 vehicles per day in the article? That isn't so much; wouldn't it be better to build a new motorway somewhere for this money?
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Old December 25th, 2010, 03:30 PM   #1303
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33,000 is obviously an error. There are 3 permanent counting posts on that section and they were all between 49.000 and 52.000 vehicles per day in 2009 per ASFiNAG.

The 33.000 vpd section that media quoted is east of Knoten Bruckneudorf (zählstelle Parndorf) and is not included in the section-to-be-widened.

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Old December 25th, 2010, 04:03 PM   #1304
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Ah yeah, they're talking about the section to the border.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 06:25 PM   #1305
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The "Tauern-Autobahn" at my home city, near Salzburg:

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Old December 26th, 2010, 06:30 PM   #1306
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I drove the whole Tauern Autobahn few days ago, including the tunnels... very nice landscape, but cold as hell (-11°C at the tunnel toll booth)
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Old December 27th, 2010, 03:56 PM   #1307
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Last time I drove around Salzburg (summer 2008) I realized there were many highway sectors around Salzburg with stupid speed limits of 100km/h, whilst at some point in each direction (Wien, Graz or Germany/Innsbruck) special 100km/h limits were dropped.

Have they resorted normal (130 km/h) limits on Austrian highways near Salzburg?
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Old December 27th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #1308
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Not on A10. A10 is densely seeded with 100 km/h speed limit sections.
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Old December 27th, 2010, 11:11 PM   #1309
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whole part between the two tunnels is 100km/h. long section with 100km/h is also near Salzburg.
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Old December 27th, 2010, 11:20 PM   #1310
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And Villach. Cruise control comes very handy on those sections.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 11:44 AM   #1311
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Can someone tell me why is there all that mess on southern exit of Plabutschtunnel. It looks like A9 coming from Seiersberg was intended to go straight where is now big parking space and that some NIMBYs blocked that direction so ÄSFINAG needed to build Plabutschtunnel?

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Old December 29th, 2010, 11:47 AM   #1312
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The answer is quite simple. The sections north and south of the Plabutschtunnel are much older, for example the A9 north of Graz opened in 1971, which was the first section of A9 to be opened. The section south of Graz near Knoten Graz-West opened in 1973. By 1983 there was a long section opened from Traboch to Graz-Nord. The first tube of the Plabutschtunnel opened in 1987, which means the original route through Graz was used by all through traffic for about 15 years before the bypass opened. The second tube opened in 2004.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 01:23 PM   #1313
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Thank you for quick answer
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Old December 29th, 2010, 02:19 PM   #1314
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The original Plabutschtunnel was intended to be approximately 5 km long. The abandoned part of the A9 (which is a parking place today) is a remnant of intended A9 through the western part of Graz, whether on pavement (as this abandoned section) or on long viaduct (perhaps similar as the Karlovac viaduct on Croatian A1).
I suppose there were two main reasons for abandonment:
- costly terrain with works which require a lot of demolishing houses in the villa quarters, and/or
- environmental problems, connected with excessive noise and exhaust gasses
Please note, that the Plabutschtunnel is the only Austrian motorway/expressway tunnel of significant length without additional toll, i.e. before the announcement of tolling Austrian motorways and expressways you were driving through the tunnel for free. Otherwise all transit traffic would flow through the city.
Perhaps our Austrian friends would give us more details.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #1315
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Please note, that the Plabutschtunnel is the only Austrian motorway/expressway tunnel of significant length without additional toll, i.e. before the announcement of tolling Austrian motorways and expressways you were driving through the tunnel for free. Otherwise all transit traffic would flow through the city.
Perhaps our Austrian friends would give us more details.
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Define significant length:
Pfändertunnel 6.7 km no additional toll
Landecker Tunnel 6.9 km no additional toll
Roppener Tunnel 5.1 km no additional toll
Strenger Tunnel 5.8 km no additioinal toll
Those are only the tunnels with L > 5 km, there are some more with L > 2.5 km...

The problem with the "Sondermaut" is that those were tolled by some semi-private companies at the time of introduction of the vignette. To the approximately 300 million euro annual revenue from vignette sales come approximately 110 million from those special tolls. If those had been dropped, the vignettes would simply be 1/3 more expensive, so it was decided that the special tolls of the most cost intensive motorway stretches in maintenance were to be upheld.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 07:14 PM   #1316
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Define significant length:
Pfändertunnel 6.7 km no additional toll
Landecker Tunnel 6.9 km no additional toll
Roppener Tunnel 5.1 km no additional toll
Strenger Tunnel 5.8 km no additioinal toll
Those are only the tunnels with L > 5 km, there are some more with L > 2.5 km...
I thought that significant length should be L > 5 km.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 10:03 PM   #1317
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The answer is quite simple. The sections north and south of the Plabutschtunnel are much older, for example the A9 north of Graz opened in 1971, which was the first section of A9 to be opened. The section south of Graz near Knoten Graz-West opened in 1973. By 1983 there was a long section opened from Traboch to Graz-Nord. The first tube of the Plabutschtunnel opened in 1987, which means the original route through Graz was used by all through traffic for about 15 years before the bypass opened. The second tube opened in 2004.
anyway, exit Graz Webling is really confusing. in both directions they have made left exit without any reason
and while traveling to direction north you have enough time to take right lane for your direction, going to south it is really confusing, especially in the case of little heavier traffic.
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Old December 30th, 2010, 11:53 AM   #1318
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Well, beside Webling, there is just one more left entrance on autobahn in Austria (acutally, both left and right), Wien Gürtel entrance to A23 toward north
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Well, beside Webling, there is just one more left entrance on autobahn in Austria (acutally, both left and right), Wien Gürtel entrance to A23 toward north
actually, i didn't think on left entrances, but on left exits.
in direction north it is not that bad, you have enough time on 3 laned motorway to choose your direction.
but direction south, khhmmm... choosing the lanes starts when you're still in the tunnel. so till the end of the tunnel you must take direction right. when the traffic is just a little stronger, it becomes quite dangerous. i hate that place. and it all could be solved with normal right exits.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 01:55 AM   #1320
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actually, i didn't think on left entrances, but on left exits.
in direction north it is not that bad, you have enough time on 3 laned motorway to choose your direction.
but direction south, khhmmm... choosing the lanes starts when you're still in the tunnel. so till the end of the tunnel you must take direction right. when the traffic is just a little stronger, it becomes quite dangerous.
Inside the tunnel, but close to the end of the tunnel, you can choose
1) to take the lane far left, which runs up the hill into the roundabout. If you are wrong, you can leave the roundabout immediately by taking the first exit. In this case you can go further on straight along your nose.
2) to stay on the lane at right or in the middle, and leave the tunnel by using the gently rising road leading you southwards.

BTW: On your trip northbound, after the passage of the tunnel Selzthal, you can leave the highway A9 by using a left exit towards Liezen.
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