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Old February 4th, 2011, 03:40 PM   #1381
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Still, redesign could be done better. Last time there I missed exit from A4 to S1 because of bad signage. Also all curves are very tight.
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Old February 4th, 2011, 05:49 PM   #1382
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Knoten Schwechat was designed to be a cloverleaf. It may have been a regular exit for a while before S1 was constructed in this area. A4 is older than S1.
I think what he meant was that they screwed up the new ramp when they built the S1 and had to redesign it after a series of accidents. That's why there are three of them (2 new ones, 1 old one from before the S1)
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Old February 4th, 2011, 06:00 PM   #1383
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Knotten Schwechat. Check out the south-to-east ramp.

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It took three iterations to "get it right"
(And this will change again when the bypass will be extended north)
Looks like it was a Clover Leaf originally. I can see the route where the pavement used to be. That would explain the routing of the original entrance ramp at the bottom of the pic. Not sure what was going on with the one in the middle ans then the current ramp.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 04:15 PM   #1384
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Last time there I missed exit from A4 to S1 because of bad signage.
Motorway signs in Austria are generally atrocious. Try driving from the A2 to the A4. There are no clues that you need to take the A23 for several kilometers, nor any clues at all how to get to the A4 until you're already on the A23 -- if you make it onto the A23.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 06:03 PM   #1385
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Motorway signs in Austria are generally atrocious. Try driving from the A2 to the A4. There are no clues that you need to take the A23 for several kilometers, nor any clues at all how to get to the A4 until you're already on the A23 -- if you make it onto the A23.
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Still I took this picture of one of the more confusing interchanges I ever travelled (A2-S1-A21 south of Wien)

I almost missed direction to S1 and airport (I missed S1 from A4 later that day) even if I was there just three months ago. Redesigning signs in interchanges should really be done in Austria.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 07:10 PM   #1386
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Sometimes, really too many information signed.....
Anyway - what information might be a bit confusing that - just at the juction Voesendorf (A21/A2/S1). It concerns the situation you are coming from Graz/A2 and continue to CZ (Praha/Brno).
The recommendation there is to turn to right and use the souther part of the outer ring S1 (and to past through that already discussed junction S1/A4 in Schwechat......But the point is that the S1-motorway is not finished. So the shortest way is to continue via the A23 (Wiener Sued-Ost-Tangente) as in the past. No doubts that the background of that misleading "official" suggestion is to push the traffic out of the A23 to push the traffic out of the city....For the opposite direction (from the Prater-Motorway-Danubebridge) there is not that suggestion (to go via A4 and S1)......Just after the opening of the S1 many drivers were puzzled and tried that way....After that experience they came back and drive via A23 again.....
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Old March 11th, 2011, 04:25 AM   #1387
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awesome picture of the südosttangente vienna

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Old March 18th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #1388
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Old March 18th, 2011, 01:17 AM   #1389
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nice pics. I see you were coming from switzerland.

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Old March 18th, 2011, 06:26 AM   #1390
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They should add "Bolzano" and "Merano" IMO.
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Old March 18th, 2011, 10:10 AM   #1391
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Verona No trouble about whether to pick a German or Italian name
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Old March 18th, 2011, 01:37 PM   #1392
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They should add "Bolzano" and "Merano" IMO.
Well,the Name´s sound very similar but i am wondering why they name only Bolzano/Bozen its not a very big or well known City.Better put something like Verona or Modena on the Table.But on the italian side its the smae thing,they dont name Inssbruck only Brenner/Brennero.
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Old March 18th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #1393
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Italians have different system. They normaly put just the name of border crossig. As for Bozen/Bolzano, Austrians are still angry for sudtirol/alto adige and it is quite well known city.
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Old March 18th, 2011, 02:17 PM   #1394
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They should write "Bolzano/Bozen/Bulsan", as Timon91 saw in a sign once
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Old March 18th, 2011, 02:19 PM   #1395
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Well,the Name´s sound very similar but i am wondering why they name only Bolzano/Bozen its not a very big or well known City.Better put something like Verona or Modena on the Table.But on the italian side its the smae thing,they dont name Inssbruck only Brenner/Brennero.
Because Bolzano is German speaking town in South Tyrol and they take it like German town not Italian.
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Old March 18th, 2011, 02:33 PM   #1396
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Because Bolzano is German speaking town in South Tyrol and they take it like German town not Italian.
Well,lets say it was.Today over 60% of the population in Bozen are Italians.In the villages around austrians make more then 90% of the population but in the big cities the situation is a little bit differend.But foreigner dont realy know about Bolzano,they should write Garda on the Table
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Old March 18th, 2011, 02:42 PM   #1397
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Because Bolzano is German speaking town in South Tyrol and they take it like German town not Italian.
The city of Bolzano proper is 73% Italian-speaking.
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Old March 18th, 2011, 08:46 PM   #1398
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Verona No trouble about whether to pick a German or Italian name
If I remember correct, there is Verona sign on German A8 at interchange with A93
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Old March 18th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #1399
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Well,lets say it was.Today over 60% of the population in Bozen are Italians.In the villages around austrians make more then 90% of the population but in the big cities the situation is a little bit differend.But foreigner dont realy know about Bolzano,they should write Garda on the Table
I could not care less. In Vienna signs are also monolingual showing names like "Bratislava", nothing else, and thats not the name which was traditionally used in German for that town.

But I would not mind if all the signs were bilingual instead. Bozen clearly is a bilingual city so it would make sense.

Bozen/Bolzano is nowadays a city with an Italian speaking majority. The claim that German speakers only live in villages is absolute BS however. Meran/Merano has a German speaking majority for example, like most of the rest of Suedtirol, 3/4 of the inhabitants of Suedtirol actually are German speaking.
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Old March 18th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #1400
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If I remember correct, there is Verona sign on German A8 at interchange with A93
You do remember that correctly! But only in the eastbound direction, in the westbound direction it says "Kufstein" and "Innsbruck".
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