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Old June 17th, 2011, 11:23 AM   #1541
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The toll station will be expanded from 8 to 13 gates in the southbound direction for that reason. Nevertheless, there are indeed chances of delays at the toll plaza.
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Old June 17th, 2011, 11:29 AM   #1542
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I starting to like toll plazas less and less. They're source of queues even when the traffic itself is not so dense. Last Saturday there was a 15 km queue from Brennerpass to the toll station in Vipiteno-Sterzing.
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Old June 18th, 2011, 08:23 AM   #1543
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Toll stations were appropriate when we were limited to 20th century technology. However, they are extremely inefficient. The electronic vignettes used in Hungary, for example, are a much better solution.

In my opinion, vignettes should be required for all roads, not just motorways. Giving drivers an economic incentive to use local roads rather than motorways is economically and environmentally perverse.

With the EU funding so much road construction, I would not oppose EU-level vignettes. However, an extra tax on fuel would be even more efficient than electronic vignettes.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #1544
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However, an extra tax on fuel would be even more efficient than electronic vignettes.
I can`t believe anybody is still for rising fuel taxes. Simply insane.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 07:51 PM   #1545
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It seams people have large incomes, and nothing to spend on :P
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Old June 20th, 2011, 11:03 PM   #1546
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I agree that all roads should be tolled, however reasonably. This should start with tolling trucks, because they are usually the ones who use all kinds of tricks to avoid toll roads.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 01:23 AM   #1547
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I agree that all roads should be tolled, however reasonably. This should start with tolling trucks, because they are usually the ones who use all kinds of tricks to avoid toll roads.
Trucks also cause nearly all the wear and tear to the roads.
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Old June 21st, 2011, 02:36 AM   #1548
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In my opinion, vignettes should be required for all roads, not just motorways. Giving drivers an economic incentive to use local roads rather than motorways is economically and environmentally perverse.

With the EU funding so much road construction, I would not oppose EU-level vignettes. However, an extra tax on fuel would be even more efficient than electronic vignettes.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 01:34 AM   #1549
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A bottleneck: Pfändertunnel (2 x 1 lane) as part of Rheintalautobahn
Images northbound from Feldkirch in direction of the German border

1. Before the tunnel - 3 lanes' traffic merges into one


2. The tunnel


3. Entering it...


Landscape around Feldkirch is impressive though
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 11:16 AM   #1550
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The second Pfänder Tunnel tube will be put into service next year, after which the existing tube will be renovated. Full 2x2 capacity will be available from 2013 onwards.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 10:03 PM   #1551
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Nobody noticed the bottleneck at Innsbruck yet? (70 km from where I live)

They've built a new tunnel coming from Innsbruck Ost heading towards Italy/Bregenz. It's open now, but traffic still has to go through this tunnel both ways. They're doing something else now going Kufstein bound, not sure if they're building another tunnel or not.

Also, Austria is in a process of changing its roadsigns. They are trying to make it more German style (just like they are doing in the Netherlands now) but somehow it's not really working, and still look just as twisted as it did before..... and confusing!
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 10:17 PM   #1552
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Nobody noticed the bottleneck at Innsbruck yet? (70 km from where I live)

They've built a new tunnel coming from Innsbruck Ost heading towards Italy/Bregenz. It's open now, but traffic still has to go through this tunnel both ways. They're doing something else now going Kufstein bound, not sure if they're building another tunnel or not.

Also, Austria is in a process of changing its roadsigns. They are trying to make it more German style (just like they are doing in the Netherlands now) but somehow it's not really working, and still look just as twisted as it did before..... and confusing!
This one?









I drove through that one this winter. It was crowded but the traffic was moving....
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 10:40 PM   #1553
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I hate this tunnel. I drive through very often on my way to Italy, and it seems to me that works never progress. I was there for the first time on january 2010 and I remember it just the way it is now... I hope I remember wrong.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 11:54 PM   #1554
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I hate this tunnel. I drive through very often on my way to Italy, and it seems to me that works never progress. I was there for the first time on january 2010 and I remember it just the way it is now... I hope I remember wrong.
You do. That tunnel only opened last winter, but the roadworks have been there for years now. Same as the ones on the Brenner road. They are building new tunnels there, linking Austria with Italy without having to go on high altitudes.....

They've now completed roadworks at Wörgl both ways, and are now starting at Kufstein. These are cross-border roadworks, as new surfacing are due to take place all the way to Rosenheim.
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Old June 22nd, 2011, 11:56 PM   #1555
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Great pictures by the way, thank you :-)
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 09:26 AM   #1556
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You do. That tunnel only opened last winter, but the roadworks have been there for years now.
Then probably I remember the roadworks and the queues...

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Same as the ones on the Brenner road. They are building new tunnels there, linking Austria with Italy without having to go on high altitudes.....
Do you mean the Autobahn or the normal road?
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 10:55 AM   #1557
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Do you mean the Autobahn or the normal road?
Autobahn....
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 11:18 AM   #1558
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Then probably I'm missing something. Are you saying that on Austrian Brennerautobahn they are building new tunnels to avoid going to high altitudes? I don't see how this is possible without reconstructing the whole road. Besides, you HAVE to go to high altitudes because you have to reach Brennerpass...
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 11:38 AM   #1559
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There is no such project. They are building a noise tunnel at Innsbruck-Amras.
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Old June 23rd, 2011, 11:40 AM   #1560
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I know, this is the tunnel we were talking about and whose pictures were posted.
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