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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:33 PM   #1621
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I don't know what people think who come up with these plans.
Because, sadly, Natura 2000 is more important than people.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:36 PM   #1622
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Because, sadly, Natura 2000 is more important than people.
With this plan the problem is not Natura 2000, the problem is that people would be screwed over. There would be a location next to Mäder, where there are neither people nor a nature reservation. Not a single tunnel would be needed.

Look at this: http://maps.google.at/maps?q=H%C3%B6...01929&t=h&z=16

it's the part where that "Z" road would go right through the neighborhood. Two houses would even have to be demolished. In the bottom you can already see the interchange to which it would aim.

this is the location at Mäder:
http://maps.google.at/maps?q=M%C3%A4...09645&t=h&z=14
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:51 PM   #1623
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Woudn't it be more logical to make it here (almost straight line between A and B)?
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 12:55 PM   #1624
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Not really because that's a) a longer distance than north of Mäder and b) further south. Keep in mind that this would be mostly for trucks. People who just want to cross from Germany to Switzerland usually avoid the motorway, because they would need to pay. From next year on a daily toll sticker will NOT be available anymore and they would have to pay again for a whole week (really flawed system). Hence the only kind of relief inside the towns will be from trucks, because these can be forced to cross the border at a certain point.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 01:01 PM   #1625
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I would think that Switzerland wants connection to be as north as possible, which is pretty logical because of Germany-Switzerland traffic.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 01:11 PM   #1626
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I would think that Switzerland wants connection to be as north as possible, which is pretty logical because of Germany-Switzerland traffic.
Read what I wrote. I understand Switzerland, but already the A15 and the S18 project, which would go right there failed! Natura 2000 was only the last drop that spilled the glass for S18. There were tons of other problems. I don't understand why they insist on a corridor that cannot be realized for over 30 years already, when there is a much cheaper and doable solution in sight.
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Old July 22nd, 2011, 11:24 PM   #1627
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Such a southern variant doesn't seem appropriate to me. What about north of Natura 2000? And if there're urban areas, build tunnels under them.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 10:26 PM   #1628
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Why they didn't built a motorway connection between A and CH for so many years??
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Old July 25th, 2011, 11:42 PM   #1629
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Why they didn't built a motorway connection between A and CH for so many years??
Probably not enough room, with Liechtenstein in the south and the urban areas of Feldkirch and Bregenz further north followed by Lake Konstanz. But coming from Innsbruck and getting off at Hohehems it's only a five minute drive onto the Swiss motorway towards St Gallen. And it's a nice change of pace as well.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 11:52 PM   #1630
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I can't really see why they have to make it easier for trucks anyway. They are trying to keep mass freight traffic out of the alps. Freight traffic between Switzerland and Vorarlberg and Tirol are not all that high anyway, and the A14 Rheintal Autobahn functions as a corridor. That's fine, because through traffic to Germany out of Switzerland is blocked by a bloody big lake, so traffic HAS to go through Austria. But dedicated traffic for the St Gallen region only. Coming back or out of Germany there are the Basel and Schaffhausen options, coming out of Italy there is the Como-Chiasso option. So the question is: is it really necessary to upset a lot of local residents when the drive from motorway to motorway takes a mere 5 minutes anyway at Hohehems. Most freight traffic goes through Lauterach / St Margareten - so if they want to clog that up with freight traffic, then there are still plenty of other options to cross that border.
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Old August 6th, 2011, 09:57 PM   #1631
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Most freight traffic actually has to leave A14 at Dornbirn South, then goes via Lustenau to Au (CH) where it enters the motorway again.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 09:50 PM   #1632
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Personal rant against ASFINAG. It's unbelievable that on August 13th, Friday, just north of the Pfandertunnel near Bregenz, they reduced the carriageway from 3 lanes (2 regular + 1 acceleration lane) to 1 LANE. Endless queue. Had to exit at Hörbranz, enter Bregenz and take the E60 on my way to Konstanz. Madness.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 10:17 PM   #1633
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But the Pfänder Tunnel is already 1 lane per direction. The 2x2 section is only 1 km long before you reach the German border. Wouldn't it be a mess south of the Pfänder Tunnel as well?
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Old August 15th, 2011, 01:27 PM   #1634
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It is always a mess there. All OE3 does is report the jams coming in and out of Germany.
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Old August 15th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #1635
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But the Pfänder Tunnel is already 1 lane per direction. The 2x2 section is only 1 km long before you reach the German border. Wouldn't it be a mess south of the Pfänder Tunnel as well?
Possibly, but at least you would give more time to merge.
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A nice event that happened here in Tirol a few months ago. Right here in the beautiful Ziller Valley (exit Zillertal on the A12 between Woergl and Innsbruck) a guy not fully right in the mind stole a tractor, which was limited to 15 km/h. He drove out of the valley from Fuegen, and onto the A12 motorway heading towards Kufstein. Police were chasing him (!) for a good 15 km, before they finally stopped him between Kramsach and Woergl by shooting the tyres. It appeared that the man confessed stealing the tractor, and he was on his way to Vienna on it - a good 450 km away. If he sticked with the motorway, he would have gone through Germany as well.
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Old August 17th, 2011, 11:00 PM   #1637
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How difficult is to stop a tractor on a motorway? I guess cops would only want to check his vignette

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Old August 17th, 2011, 11:49 PM   #1638
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Depends on the cops' own means of transport I guess ...

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Old August 23rd, 2011, 12:01 AM   #1639
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E 66 - Austrian section

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1. H Border Heiligenkreuz


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6. A2 interchange

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7. A2


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10.interchange A2 X A9


11. I have never seen in Austria signs with arrows pointing down


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15. down towards the Drava River


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17. Interchange A2 X (A10 - A11)
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