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Old September 22nd, 2011, 06:08 PM   #1721
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I think they should sign corridors and TEN-T networks as well. And maybe extend Asian Highways into Europe.
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Old September 22nd, 2011, 06:47 PM   #1722
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i have never realized these narrow shoulders at A9.

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Old September 28th, 2011, 09:32 PM   #1723
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Yesterday Slovenian transport minister and Carinthian governor discussed about second tube of Karawankentunnel. They agreed that second traffic tube should be built until 2019 and not only rescue tube (which would be about twice cheaper).
Now only Austrian government in Wien must be persuaded because it is against second traffic tube.
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Old September 28th, 2011, 09:35 PM   #1724
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Here is a video with Karawanken tunnel recorded one month ago:


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Old October 11th, 2011, 06:18 PM   #1725
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http://www.asfinag.at/presse?p_p_id=...Qq_version=1.0

A section control went operation in the Plabutschtunnel in the A9 near Graz. The speed limit is 100 km/h. It's the longest twin-tube tunnel of the Alps.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 04:55 PM   #1726
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The final record of decision for the S1 on the east side of Wien (Vienna) will be put to public consultation tomorrow. A more detailed construction planning is also available. Unfortunately, the planning for the 8.8 km long Lobau Tunnel is somewhat disappointing, it won't be ready until the year 2025, a delay of 11 years developed in the past 18 months.

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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:44 PM   #1727
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When will a construction of A5 (Nord Autobahn) to Czech Border in Mikulov start according to present schedule (Sorry if this question appeared some pages ago)?
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:46 PM   #1728
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Also delayed, the opening date used to be 2013, but is now 2016/2017.
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:55 PM   #1729
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Thanks! Will Czechs plans build expressway connection (R52) from Pohorelice to Mikulov with this motorway nearby? If yes, what is schedule?
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Old October 12th, 2011, 07:13 PM   #1730
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Will Czechs plans build expressway connection (R52) from Pohorelice to Mikulov with this motorway nearby?
This sort of project is likely to be generously funded by the EU, especially once Austria have begun construction of the final phase on the Austrian side.

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If yes, what is schedule?
I think we'll have to wait to see what the EU decide on funding for 2014-2020. Until then, I would not put any faith in planned dates.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #1731
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Lobau Tunnel is a big waste of money. EUR 1.4 billion now will equal EUR 3 billion once the tunnel is built. Also the major bottleneck on Vienna's Autobahn will still be there - Intersection A23/A22.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 10:48 AM   #1732
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Lobau Tunnel will considerably more useful in terms of expenditure / usage than any long road tunnel in the Alps. It will cost € 1.4 billion but 60 000 vehicles will use it every day, which is far more than any Alpine tunnel.

Newspaper comments were also funny, traffic on the Tauern Autobahn increased by 27% during the summer period. They called it a "traffic avalanche". You can see journalists these days have no clue about traffic or statistics. While 27% is a large percentage, it's a volume of only 8 000 vehicles, which is very small. 27 000 vehicles per day is hardly worth the qualification of a "traffic avalanche", in fact it would qualify as a quiet motorway.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:04 PM   #1733
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The Umweltverträglichkeits-prüfung (record of decision with environmental impact assessment) can be viewed online:

http://www.bmvit.gv.at/verkehr/stras...unn/index.html

Most interesting is this PDF:
http://www.bmvit.gv.at/verkehr/stras...achung/uve.pdf

The new tunnel will feature 2x2 lanes.

Here are the 2025 traffic volumes:
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Newspaper comments were also funny, traffic on the Tauern Autobahn increased by 27% during the summer period. They called it a "traffic avalanche". You can see journalists these days have no clue about traffic or statistics. While 27% is a large percentage, it's a volume of only 8 000 vehicles, which is very small. 27 000 vehicles per day is hardly worth the qualification of a "traffic avalanche", in fact it would qualify as a quiet motorway.
The numbers were wrong too, coming from VCÖ - a notoriously anti-car traffic organization. The increase from Aug 2010 to Aug 2011 was actually 14%/4000 AADT, coupled with a decrease on A9, a detour for jams on A10, by 9%/2000 AADT, with the numbers from other detours (B99, B108, car transport via the Tauern train tunnel) not available. I'd take a bet that at least 80% of the increase is caused by traffic relocated from former detours due to the opening of the 2nd Tauern tube - actually reducing unnecessarily driven kilometers.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:26 PM   #1735
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Lobau Tunnel will considerably more useful in terms of expenditure / usage than any long road tunnel in the Alps. It will cost € 1.4 billion but 60 000 vehicles will use it every day, which is far more than any Alpine tunnel.
However, the location of the tunnel is pure stupid politics. With a more westerly route, the tunnel could have been built with 2 to 3 km length instead of the now needed 8 km, the river crossing could have been made as a bridge and the affected part of the national park would have been much smaller.
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I agree. The tunnel is unnecessary long. I don't understand how they ever approved a big refinery there by the way.
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I agree. The tunnel is unnecessary long. I don't understand how they ever approved a big refinery there by the way.
I assume you don't mean the refinery on the South side of A4, but rather the oil storage facility right in the middle of the national park. This and the oil port were built in 1938 under NS administration - and they didn't care for environmental impact after all.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 02:40 PM   #1738
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About the Karavankel Tunnel, I think the second tube is indeet needed, traffiflow would be less and less cars would be in one tube, which would make the tunnel safer then it is now. It does not have the best rating right now.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 06:17 PM   #1739
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Lobau Tunnel will considerably more useful in terms of expenditure / usage than any long road tunnel in the Alps.
Actually this is not right comparison. Imagine how Italy would be accesed without those long tunnels and how expensive would be to transfer goods north<->south of Alps.
And it would be also interesting to see, how muchg would traffic rise with normal priced tolls for those tunnels. If Lobau tunnel would have for example 7 € toll, there wouldn't be even 6,000 AADT let alone 60,000.
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is that really national park or only some nature reserve? (although for both it is really weird location due to both refineries)
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