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Old November 20th, 2011, 03:52 PM   #1781
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It's odd that officially works started just now. I was there about 1 year ago and there were some earth works on S10 and also some informing panels.
Apparently it was only the construction of the Freistadt bypass. The rest is already U/C.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #1782
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The difference between Autobahn and Schnellstraße is that the first fully adhere to Autobahn-standards as defined by the Austrian traffic regulation (Straßenverkehrsordnung) and the second don't necessarily do. However, Schnellstraßen may be Autobahnen as defined by the law.

Schnellstraße is not a legal road category in its own right, it is only one of two types of federal streets in Austria. All other roads are owned by the provincial states or municipalities.

These days virtually all Schnellstraßen are built like Autobahnen, however you may have sections with smaller diameters or radii. Generally speaking many S streets are less homogenous than full Autobahns. This can be best seen with S16 Arlbergschnellstraße which changes its diameter and layout quite often. At some point it looks like a full Autobahn, at others it looks like a normal country road.

So yes, it is confusing indeed.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 01:10 PM   #1783
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The prices of the 2012 vignettes are increased at inflation rate;

2011 / 2012

10-day vignette: € 7,90 > € 8,00
2-month vignette: € 23,00 > € 23,40
1-year vignette: € 76,50 > € 77,80
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Old December 10th, 2011, 08:44 PM   #1784
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A memorandum has been signed for the construction of a second Karawanken Tunnel tube on A11 at the Slovenian border:

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/O...awankentunnels

It will be a full traffic tube, not a safety tube. A safety tube would cost € 93 million, a second tube € 236 million, but a later expansion of the safety tube to a second tube would cost € 413 million, so it's cheaper to do it right at once.

The current tunnel needs a renovation in 2019. It's common in Austria to construct a second tube and then renovate the existing tube. Maybe that's how it will work with the Karawanken Tunnel as well. This leaves us until 2014/2015 until a second tube has to be constructed.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 09:20 PM   #1785
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Isn't the emergency tube still required? Or 2x2 tunnels don't need one?
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Old December 10th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #1786
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I don't think it's necessary if you can reach the other tube. In case of an incident, traffic will be stopped in both tubes so people can go from one tube to the other safely.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #1787
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http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2511819/

Construction of the A5 North Autobahn from Schrick to Poysbrunn has been approved. Construction is planned to start in 2013 and complete in 2016.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #1788
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A memorandum has been signed for the construction of a second Karawanken Tunnel tube on A11 at the Slovenian border:

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/O...awankentunnels

It will be a full traffic tube, not a safety tube. A safety tube would cost € 93 million, a second tube € 236 million, but a later expansion of the safety tube to a second tube would cost € 413 million, so it's cheaper to do it right at once.

The current tunnel needs a renovation in 2019. It's common in Austria to construct a second tube and then renovate the existing tube. Maybe that's how it will work with the Karawanken Tunnel as well. This leaves us until 2014/2015 until a second tube has to be constructed.
That's just a memorandum between Slovenia and Austrian Carinthia (Kärnten). The last word will have Vienna.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 01:39 AM   #1789
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Yeah, this doesn't mean much yet. And no, emergency tube isn't needed if the two traffic tubes are linked.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 09:21 AM   #1790
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I read they weren't going to build it because of low traffic...
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Old December 12th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #1791
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That's what Austrian govt says, but they have to reach an agreement with Slovenia who wants full traffic tube, so there's no final word yet.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:15 PM   #1792
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Isn't the emergency tube still required? Or 2x2 tunnels don't need one?
In tunnels you always need means for escape. That could be service tube, other traffic tube or emergency exits to the safe place / surface. Therefore additional traffic tube works like a service tunnel.

About future of Karawanken tunnel: in 2019 it must be complemented with new tube, what sort will be depends mostly on Austrian side. The problem here is lack of traffic which averages about 7000 AADT, outside of holiday months traffic count can be even below 1000 vehicles per day (this is normal non-holiday daily traffic). However on some heavy holiday weekends it can reach almost 30,000.

Reconstruction of existing tube is needed because geology of Karawanken mountain range is more demanding than expected so most damaged sections of tunnel lining and tunnel are being renewed and fortified part by part but this process is too slow if you want to maintain at least alternating one way traffic.

Geology is now well known and I don't understand why saving 140 million € in short term if you will profit much more in long term especially in case of some extreme situation (example fire) which would demand longer closure of one tube. It is interesting to know that second tube will probably have to be more distant to original tube than it was foreseen (and even partially constructed) 20 years ago.

Also I'm sure that there would be much more traffic if tolls were lower or especially if the tolls would be abolished and vignettes would be used instead.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 12:14 PM   #1793
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http://www.rettungsgasse.com/Content...lgemein-UK.pdf
I agree, but why when you have hard-shoulder?
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Old December 18th, 2011, 12:28 PM   #1794
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There are probably too many places where there is no shoulder or where the shoulder is blocked. The Austrians build fairly narrow shoulders.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 02:00 PM   #1795
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I've got the flyer at a service station.
I guess it will be a problem to italian way of driving: serious fines in italy if you stay on hard-shoulder lane (emergency lane in italy).
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Old December 18th, 2011, 02:31 PM   #1796
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http://noe.orf.at/news/stories/2511819/

Construction of the A5 North Autobahn from Schrick to Poysbrunn has been approved. Construction is planned to start in 2013 and complete in 2016.
Great news. See plan http://www.asfinag.at/strassennetz/n...B9_version=1.0
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Old December 18th, 2011, 03:59 PM   #1797
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Is the section of the R52 in CZ from Perná to the AT border near Drasenhofen still scheduled to open in 2013?
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Old December 18th, 2011, 04:00 PM   #1798
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Hm, I've never driven half on driving lane, half on emergency lane even in case of congestion (unless ambulance had actually come and driven by).
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Old December 19th, 2011, 04:48 AM   #1799
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I've got the flyer at a service station.
I guess it will be a problem to italian way of driving: serious fines in italy if you stay on hard-shoulder lane (emergency lane in italy).
This is how it's supposed to work in Slovenia - 2nd part of this video, which was shown also on TV a few years ago. So you should keep clear also the emergency lane if there's enough space in the middle, while in Austria you should indeed go all the way to the edge. I prefer the Slovenian way, it causes much less mess if a vehicle during traffic jam breaks down and needs to use the emergency lane ...
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 08:39 PM   #1800
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Is Arlberg schnellstrasse 2x2 all the way except the tunnel itself? Is planned a second tube of the Arlbergtunnel? And Karavankentunnel? Are there plans to build motorways connecting Austria with CH and CZ?
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