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Old March 13th, 2008, 06:45 AM   #341
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Old March 13th, 2008, 09:30 AM   #342
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How are you happy with F16's? Here people (media and army officials kinda as well) are pretty much against getting those, there is some feeling that they will screw us if we get those How was in Poland when u were getting them, F-16 was no1 candidate from start or politics did its job? Here Eurofighter is no1 candidate now.
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Old March 13th, 2008, 12:14 PM   #343
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How are you happy with F16's? Here people (media and army officials kinda as well) are pretty much against getting those, there is some feeling that they will screw us if we get those How was in Poland when u were getting them, F-16 was no1 candidate from start or politics did its job? Here Eurofighter is no1 candidate now.
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Old March 13th, 2008, 12:59 PM   #344
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How are you happy with F16's? Here people (media and army officials kinda as well) are pretty much against getting those, there is some feeling that they will screw us if we get those How was in Poland when u were getting them, F-16 was no1 candidate from start or politics did its job? Here Eurofighter is no1 candidate now.
The decision was purely political from the get go

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The planes we got have been plagued with problems from the begining, the first ever plane on its way over from the US had to make an emergency stop b/c there were problems with the engine. Just a couple of days ago an F16 made an emergency landing b/c of again engine problems. That said, the Greece, and Israel both operate similar variants so its not a bad platform once outfitted with all the gadgets and munitions.
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Old March 13th, 2008, 01:36 PM   #345
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How are you happy with F16's? Here people (media and army officials kinda as well) are pretty much against getting those, there is some feeling that they will screw us if we get those How was in Poland when u were getting them, F-16 was no1 candidate from start or politics did its job? Here Eurofighter is no1 candidate now.
Whatever our media says is completely irrelevant, media just love to dig up problems with machines that costed 6$ billion, but the fact is that our pilots are absolutely extatic about those planes, saying that it's incredibly easy to fly.
IMO Gripen is FAR inferior compared to F-16 (Block 52+). Why? Because, while they are an equal match in air-to-air capabilities, Gripen completely useless in air-to-ground missions. It has pathetic payload, less efficient radar, smaller range and it can't use all the armament that F-16 can. What's there to add?
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Old March 13th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #346
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Whatever our media says is completely irrevelant, media just love to dig up problems with machines that costed 6$ billion, but the fact is that our pilots are absolutely extatic about those planes, saying that it's incredibly easy to fly.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 10:30 PM   #347
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Guys the F-16 Block 52+ are amazing fighters. They are utilized everyday in Greece with success.
Of course Poles must load them with some Iris-T missiles
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Old March 17th, 2008, 07:32 AM   #348
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Romania to privatize large chunks of its defence industry

Romania will pass a law which will allow for companies to produce military hardware and weapons. Romania is interested in companies which produce NATO compatible hardware and weapons.


Atanasiu: Problemele din industria de aparare pot fi rezolvate doar prin privatizare

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Presedintele AVAS, Teodor Atanasiu, a declarat, duminica, la Alba Iulia, ca industria de aparare are mari probleme, care pot fi rezolvate doar prin privatizare, transmite corespondentul NewsIn. "Industria de aparare are doua mari probleme. Nu au investit in ultimii 20 de ani banii necesari retehnologizarii liniilor de fabricatie, astfel ca produsele au o calitate sub cele a concurentei si pretul produselor este peste pretul concurentei.

In acelasi timp, mare parte din produsele fabricate de societatile din industria de aparare nu mai sunt in nomenclatorul armatei romane, care, odata cu aderarea la NATO, si-a schimbat tipurile de armament si munitie. In acest fel, liniile de fabricatie existente produc de fapt pentru armatele altor state, dar chiar si in acest caz se lovesc de concurenta din partea altor firme”, a afirmat Atanasiu.

Presedintele AVAS a recunoscut ca s-au facut si investitii, linii de productie armament si munitie tip NATO, dar a spus ca acestea s-au facut doar pe cate un calibru, nu pe mai multe calibre, iar comenzile au fost reduse. In tot acest timp, societatile din industria de aparare au inregistrat datorii catre statul roman, care a garantat imprumuturile luate de la banci pentru achizitionarea liniilor de productie NATO si s-a ajuns la situatia actuala, in care toate firmele din aparare au datorii uriase, a afirmat Atanasiu.

El a mai spus ca societatile comerciale care fac parte din industria de aparare vor fi privatizate dupa ce o parte a activelor acestora vor fi vandute pentru recuperarea datoriilor de catre stat. Seful AVAS a spus ca, saptamana trecuta, a fost modificata legislatia astfel ca si agentii economici privati vor putea produce arme si munitii. Atanasiu a precizat ca, dupa separarea activelor care contribuie la obiectul de activitate de celelalte - cele din urma fiind propuse spre vanzare - va urma privatizarea.

"Speram ca, pana la finalul acestui an, cel putin 50% din societatile din industria de aparare sa fie ofertate. Si Cugirul este printre ele, cred ca pana in toamna vom separa activele”, a declarat Atanasiu. Din industria de aparare fac parte uzinele din Cugir, Sadu, Resita, Moreni, Ploiesti, Zarnesti, Brasov, Mija si Bucuresti. (NewsIn)
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Old March 17th, 2008, 07:38 AM   #349
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SAAB interested to buy the military jetplane production plant in Craiova

SAAB has bought the tender book for Avioane Craiova's privatisation. The tender book requires that the investor needs to preserve the current plant's activities (production of milittary jet airplanes) and to add maintenance activities for military jet planes in SE Europe. SAAB produces Grippen military jetplanes, which have been offered to Romania to upgrade its old jetplane fleet.



Compania suedeza SAAB si un producator de avioane din Cehia sunt interesate de Avioane Craiova

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Compania suedeza SAAB si un producatorul de avioane din Cehia sunt interesate de achizitionarea societatii Avioane Craiova, a declarat, duminica, la Alba Iulia, presedintele AVAS, Teodor Atanasiu, precizand ca institutia pe care o conduce a lansat recent si privatizarea acestei societati.

„Am lansat, in urma cu cateva zile, privatizarea Avioane Craiova. Pana acum sunt cinci societati care au cumparat caietul de sarcini pentru a-si formula oferta. Nu s-a finalizat termenul de depunere a ofertelor si nu va pot spune cati dintre cei cinci vor depune oferta sau daca vor cumpara si altii caietul de sarcini. Pot sa va spun ca sunt si doua firme din afara Romaniei care sunt interesate de achizitionarea Avioane Craiova. Unul este producatorul de avioane din Cehia, precum si cel din Suedia, firma SAAB, foarte cunoscuta pentru avioanele Grippen pe care le vinde pe piata", a precizat Atanasiu.

Presedintele AVAS a mai spus ca privatizarea Avioane Craiova va tine cont de pretul pe pachetul de actiuni si de oferta investitionala a celor care vor sa investeasca la societatea craioveana. "Ele sunt prezentate in caietul de sarcini. Ne asteptam ca la Craiova sa continue productia de avioane, ba mai mult, Craiova sa devina un centru regional de mentenanta pentru toate tipurile de avioane care zboara in sud-estul Europei”, a mai afirmat Atanasiu. (NewsIn)
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Old March 17th, 2008, 07:57 AM   #350
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If SAAB buys Avioane Craiova in these terms and conditions, it'll also make good sense that Romania buys Grippen military jet planes from SAAB.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 09:14 AM   #351
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depends on what your requirements are. The F 16 is better at A2G then the Jas 39. Furthermore, the F 16 beats Jas 39 in range, and payload, while the Jas 39 has better acceleration and superior climb rate and maurerability thanks to its delta wing formation. Jas can take off from a much shorter runway which gives it an advantage in terms of operability. There is 100s of debates online btw F 16 and Jas 39 ever since the new NATO members have began shopping around for new aircraft.

The recent F16 variants C/D block 50/52/60 come with CF tanks which give the plane greater range and free up wing space for more bombs and missiles.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 11:01 AM   #352
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I still vote for Typhoon. Then F-16 (only if it's Block 50/52+ and newer), then Gripen. I'm taking into account A/G also... if it's only A/A, it's Typhoon, Gripen, F-16.

Yeah, I know I've said we shouldn't buy F-16, but I see everybody talks about the newer versions, which are a different story... I was thinking of second hand Block 40/42 at best. At least, last year the officials were still talking about buying second hand aircraft from IAF or USAF.

My judgement is purely militaristic, so it doesn't matter if SAAB invests in Romania or what aircraft is cheaper. The reality is very different, obviously.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #353
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I still vote for Typhoon. Then F-16 (only if it's Block 50/52+ and newer), then Gripen. I'm taking into account A/G also... if it's only A/A, it's Typhoon, Gripen, F-16.

Yeah, I know I've said we shouldn't buy F-16, but I see everybody talks about the newer versions, which are a different story... I was thinking of second hand Block 40/42 at best. At least, last year the officials were still talking about buying second hand aircraft from IAF or USAF.

My judgement is purely militaristic, so it doesn't matter if SAAB invests in Romania or what aircraft is cheaper. The reality is very different, obviously.
talk about typhoon is like mixing weight classes, it'd be like brining in a heavy weight vs a walter weight boxer. If you can afford it buy Typhoon its a much better plane, but a lot of new member cannot afford such an expensive platform, at least for the time being.
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Old March 17th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #354
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It is like mixing weight classes, that was the idea in fact. It was designed to be superior to light weight fighters like Gripen or Falcon, it's more advanced, carries a bigger load, but it is also more expensive... we'll have to wait and see what will our government pick... AFAIK we have 1 bln. EUR to spend on this.

The good thing is that no matter what the choice will be, it will be a good choice nonetheless. Our Lancers are long due for retirement, our Fulcrums are rusting at Mihail Kogălniceanu, our Floggers are out of service since 2000 or so...
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Old March 20th, 2008, 09:13 PM   #355
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A Romanian soldier died in Afganistan today

A Romanian soldier from the Romanian squadron "Saint Andrew" died today in Afganistan, when the Humvee he was riding in went over an improvised explosive devise. The soldier was 29 years old and a father of 2 children. God bless him and his family! 5 Romanian soldiers died so far in Afganistan. The Romanian squadrons are stationed in the most dangerous zones in Afganistan.

I know that some may think that this tragic news may be offtopic, but I think that, while we speak of various weaponry and post interesting pictures, we should not forget what war is actually about and should not forget about the REAL people sacrificing themselves for country (without big words by all means!!).


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Un militar din Batalionul 300 Infanterie “Sfantul Andrei”, dislocat in Afganistan, a fost ucis si un altul, ranit, joi, 20 martie, in jurul orei 15.00, la nord de Qalat, informeaza Ministerul Apararii.

Fruntasul Ionut Cosmin Sandu a decedat, iar caporalul Silviu Atanasiu a fost ranit la piciorul stang, cand autovehicul Humvee in care se aflau a trecut peste un dispozitiv exploziv improvizat.

La momentul producerii exploziei, militarii indeplineau o misiune de patrulare in provincia Zabul.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 04:26 AM   #356
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Air force sources say that if Warsaw is required to conduct a third air defence operation over the Baltics it will assign the task to its new Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 11:03 PM   #357
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Doh! It would be ashame if you guys would send the MiGs.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 01:00 AM   #358
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Doh! It would be ashame if you guys would send the MiGs.
the F16s are not yet operational. We're still acquiring all the necessary logistics and service people, moreover, we still don't armament. I read that 2009/2010 is when they are set to be operational
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Too good a picture to ignore... Russian AF Tu-22M-3.
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We had our national day today and for the first time the Leopard 2A6 HEL took part in the military parade.



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