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Old November 14th, 2016, 12:11 PM   #2001
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Special Hokuriku-Tohoku Shinkansen from Kanawaza to Sendai and back using E7 Series Shinkansen
Do I see this correctly that there is no cross-country service north of the Kantō plain? No Limited Express service connecting Sendai, Niigata and further on to Kanazawa? That seems strange. There is clearly something missing.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 03:07 AM   #2002
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Do I see this correctly that there is no cross-country service north of the Kantō plain? No Limited Express service connecting Sendai, Niigata and further on to Kanazawa? That seems strange. There is clearly something missing.

The Shinkansen map is a little skewed though. Basically there IS Shinkansen service from Sendai to Nagano. You transfer at Omiya. It makes a lot more sense when you realize that the line to Niigata should never have been built as it was essentially pork barrel politics. There were far more deserving routes. When you take that into account it doesn't look that crazy not to have a route through small communities to get to Nagano from Sendai when the current route isn't much slower.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 09:24 AM   #2003
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Do I see this correctly that there is no cross-country service north of the Kantō plain? No Limited Express service connecting Sendai, Niigata and further on to Kanazawa? That seems strange. There is clearly something missing.
I recently went from Sendai to Niigata, then on to Kanazawa.

Basically had to go south to Fukushima, transfer, then go west towards Aizu-Wakamatsu, transfer again to go to Niigata (I took the SL train).

From Niigata to Kanazawa, several transfers between JR lines and private/3rd sector lines.

or to summarize, physically not that far to Niigata, but the process of going from Sendai to Kanazawa via Niigata was not seamless.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 11:54 AM   #2004
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I recently went from Sendai to Niigata, then on to Kanazawa.



Basically had to go south to Fukushima, transfer, then go west towards Aizu-Wakamatsu, transfer again to go to Niigata (I took the SL train).



From Niigata to Kanazawa, several transfers between JR lines and private/3rd sector lines.



or to summarize, physically not that far to Niigata, but the process of going from Sendai to Kanazawa via Niigata was not seamless.

A quick look at a relief map really is the answer. You clearly see that there is a large mountain range between Sendai and Niigata and that Niigata is teeny.

Not to mention that Sendai to Kanazawa is currently as fast as 3..5 hours with a transfer at Omiya. By car the shortest road is still about 560km so even a direct Shinkansen along a similar route would take about 3 hours anyhow so there really isn't a good reason to spend a lot money

Far more pressing would be a connection between Kanazawa and Osaka.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 09:42 PM   #2005
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The Shinkansen map is a little skewed though. Basically there IS Shinkansen service from Sendai to Nagano. You transfer at Omiya. It makes a lot more sense when you realize that the line to Niigata should never have been built as it was essentially pork barrel politics. There were far more deserving routes. When you take that into account it doesn't look that crazy not to have a route through small communities to get to Nagano from Sendai when the current route isn't much slower.
Warning: This is a would-should-could post. Don't read on if you want to stay in reality.

Beyond the two Shinkansen lines to the north coast there is also a line call Hokuhoku Line. Each of these lines have been added since the 1960s. And yet they don't fit together. It seems as if there were some discontinuities in the planning. If only one could rearrange the efforts spent on these projects, one could have ended up with a network that not only would have connected all the north coast towns to Tokyo reasonably fast but also to each other and to Sendai as well.

It would have looked like this:


The Yamagata Mini-Shinkansen wouldn't have been needed this way as well. A bis chance missed, I would say.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 06:27 PM   #2006
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Gauge-changing train decision next year
17 Nov 2016



JAPAN: JR Kyushu, which was successfully listed on the stock market on October 26, expects to decide whether or not to continue with plans for a gauge-changing Shinkansen train next year.

The latest test train is undergoing endurance trials following modifications made after cracks were found in the axles two years ago

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Old November 18th, 2016, 08:49 AM   #2007
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This train proves the closed nature of the rail industry. The largest user of gauge change technology is Spain where development started in 1968 resulting in two proven gauge changing systems that are also used for high speed trains.
But instead of acquiring a license to use some proven technology JR Kyushu opted to develop their own system, which has already resulted in 18 years of testing, three generations of test trains but still no decision to actually use it. Surely a license would have been the cheaper option?
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Old November 18th, 2016, 12:23 PM   #2009
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This train proves the closed nature of the rail industry. The largest user of gauge change technology is Spain where development started in 1968 resulting in two proven gauge changing systems that are also used for high speed trains.
But instead of acquiring a license to use some proven technology JR Kyushu opted to develop their own system, which has already resulted in 18 years of testing, three generations of test trains but still no decision to actually use it. Surely a license would have been the cheaper option?
JR West he is already doing it.
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In order to extend the benefits of the Hokuriku Shinkansen to stations west of Tsuruga before the line to Osaka is completed, JR West is working in partnership with Talgo on the development of a Free Gauge Train (FGT), which will be capable of operating under both the 25kV ac electrification used on the Shinkansen and the 1.5kV dc system employed on conventional lines. The six-car train is due to start trials on the Hokuriku Shinkansen and the 1067mm-gauge Hokuriku and Kosei lines in 2017. As part of the project JR West has already began trials with a purpose-built 180m-long gauge-changer at Tsuruga.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 05:30 AM   #2010
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I think somebody else might be quietly interested in a free-gauge train using the Talso technology: JR East.

Why? Because it would make it possible to revive the old Hokuetsu direct service between Kanazawa and Niigata, which would travel like this:

Kanazawa to Itoigawa--Hokuriku Shinkansen line
Itoigawa to Nagaoka--Nihonkai Hisui Line and Shin'etsu Main Line
Nagaoka to Niigata--Jōetsu Shinkansen line
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Old November 19th, 2016, 11:05 PM   #2011
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BRAVA-CAF gauge changing system is also a good option for JR Kyushu: http://www.cafusa.com/en/innovacion-...icos/brava.php

This tecnology could be use also in Hokkaido Shinkansen, from Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto to Sapporo via Hakodate Main Line. Variable-gauge tilting trains could be used in Tokyo-Sapporo services.
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Old December 4th, 2016, 12:52 PM   #2012
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Developing history: The Free Gauge Train (FGT-9000) is back a year after because the improvement in some parts of the 3-car unit.





More in japanese: http://news.mynavi.jp/news/2016/12/04/017/


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I watched some news on NHK Ohayou Nihon about the extension of Hokuriku Shinkansen to Kansai region. The Obama-Kyoto Route was considered as possible future definitive route.

In Nihongo: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/2016...797741000.html
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Old December 24th, 2016, 01:11 PM   #2014
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Hokuriku extension route agreed
23 Dec 2016



JAPAN: Plans to extend the Hokuriku Shinkansen to Shin-Osaka via Obama and Kyoto were agreed by the coalition government on December 20.

A 125 km section extending the line from its present terminus at Kanazawa to Tsuruga is currently under construction, with completion expected in 2022-23. The government’s decision will see the route continued further along the Sea of Japan coast to Obama and then south to Japan’s ancient capital of Kyoto. From there the line would continue to Shin-Osaka, effectively duplicating the Kyoto – Osaka section of the Tokaido Shinkansen — a decision on the routing of this final section is expected by the end of March 2017

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Old December 24th, 2016, 01:34 PM   #2015
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So is it pretty much*confirmed that the*Hokuriku Shinkansen will go to Kyoto?
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Old December 25th, 2016, 04:45 AM   #2016
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So is it pretty much*confirmed that the*Hokuriku Shinkansen will go to Kyoto?
It actually means that the line will only run via Kyoto as it will actually terminate at Shin-Osaka. It does not even mean that it will serve Kyoto station but may have its own station somewhere else in the city.
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Old December 25th, 2016, 05:10 AM   #2017
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Considering that they're coming in from due north and headed south, it doesn't make much sense to jog the line east or west to any real degree, and at that point, you might as well aim for Kyoto station since there aren't too many other transit hubs in the area to connect to.
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Can anybody predict if the Hokuriku Shinkansen will run paralel to the Tokaido Shinkansen between Kyoto and Osaka or run on a different alignment?
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Old December 28th, 2016, 02:23 PM   #2019
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Can anybody predict if the Hokuriku Shinkansen will run paralel to the Tokaido Shinkansen between Kyoto and Osaka or run on a different alignment?
I was wondering the same thing, especially with local political support for a separate alignment in an alternate proposal that was put forward. That called for a north-south path through Kyoto and then on to Osaka from the west.
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Do you have a map of this alignment?
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