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Old February 9th, 2009, 03:19 AM   #141
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According to some Youtube videos their platforms are right next to each other, so I guess it'll be easy to connect their tracks if that's the case...

According to Website Mapion.co.jp , there is no track connection between two Shinkansen
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Old February 9th, 2009, 03:35 AM   #142
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According to some Youtube videos their platforms are right next to each other, so I guess it'll be easy to connect their tracks if that's the case...
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According to Website Mapion.co.jp , there is no track connection between two Shinkansen
No they are not connected, yes it is easy to connect them since the platforms are right next to each other.
Finally no I do not think they will connect each other since developing a time diagram will be a bxtch and not many people travels from ex. Nagoya to Sendai.
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Old February 9th, 2009, 07:10 AM   #143
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There could be problems with interoperability because the technical specifications of both lines are not the same. At least the power supply and the automatic train protection are different, but something like difference in height of the overhead lines might also be a problem for the Shinkansen.
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Old February 10th, 2009, 11:57 AM   #144
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......"birthplace" is a bit questionable, but if you talk about commercially operational high-speed trains, then yes. The best rail technology? - I don't know about if it's the "best", but the only significant rival is the French.
Depends on what one considers "best"

It's entirely subjective.

Fast acceleration, quiet, safe. all Hallmarks of the Japanese system. However, if one puts speed into the mix and says speed is what makes it the best, there are faster systems out there.

I don't think the Shinkansen is only suitable to Japan. I just don't think the Japanese have really had the opportunity to market it outside of Japan.

Probably has to do with cost. I'd imagine that the Shinkansen system is more expensive to build... but that's just conjecture.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 05:25 PM   #145
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Here are the estimated costs of current TGV/ICE/Shinkansen lines:
TGV (LGV Rhin-Rhône): 14 million USD per km
TGV (LGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire): 33 million USD per km
ICE (Cologne–Frankfurt): 43 million USD per km
Shinkansen (Hokuriku, Kyushu): 70 million USD per km
To be fair, Shinkansen is particularly expensive as newer lines are essentially massive subways; something like 80% of whole line is underground, to go through the mountainous terrain, to avoid noise problem, and to avoid buying landed properties which would be even more expensive than making tunnels.
I don't bash Shinkansen. I do think it is one of, if not the best high-speed rail in the world, historically and technologically.
Nonetheless, it's natural many countries would choose something faster and cheaper - only those who has very busy corridor (thus need higher capacity) would seriously consider Japanese high-speed.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #146
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Here are the estimated costs of current TGV/ICE/Shinkansen lines:
TGV (LGV Rhin-Rhône): 14 million USD per km
TGV (LGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire): 33 million USD per km
ICE (Cologne–Frankfurt): 43 million USD per km
Shinkansen (Hokuriku, Kyushu): 70 million USD per km
How many kilometers are tunnels out of these lines?
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Old February 14th, 2009, 08:14 AM   #147
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Here are the estimated costs of current TGV/ICE/Shinkansen lines:
TGV (LGV Rhin-Rhône): 14 million USD per km
TGV (LGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire): 33 million USD per km
ICE (Cologne–Frankfurt): 43 million USD per km
Shinkansen (Hokuriku, Kyushu): 70 million USD per km
Another thing that makes the cost for a Shinkansen lines higher are that the part not built underground are elevated, where as most TGV and ICE lines are in ground level and also that most countries in Europe are relatively flat in comparison with Japan.
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Old February 14th, 2009, 03:51 PM   #148
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Series E5 Hayate service soon for Hokkaido Shinkansen Line

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 JR東日本は3日、2013年春に東北新幹線で時速320キロ運転を始める新型車(E5系)のデザインを発表した。現在、10両編成の量産先行車を製造中で、今年夏から試運転を始める。

 新型車は上半分を緑、下を白、中央にピンクのラインで塗装し、「未来を感じさせる先進的なイメージとスピード感」を表したという。シートや内装は茶や赤など暖色系でまとめた。

 設計費を含めると、1編成が45億円。15年度までに計59本を投入する。

 東北新幹線は10年12月、現在の八戸から新青森まで延伸される。新型車は11年春から営業運転を始めるが、当初は国内最高タイの時速300キロで走行する。320キロ運転になれば、東京―新青森間は最速3時間5分で結ばれる。

This new Shinkansen is for the New Hokkaido Shinkansen Line as the tohuko line extend the line to hokkaido in city of hakodate. This tran basically based in the test rain they introduced the Fastech 360. So we will wait for this trainn to roll out soon.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #149
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I know some may disagree, but that is one horrendously ugly train!
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Old February 15th, 2009, 02:45 AM   #150
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I know some may disagree, but that is one horrendously ugly train!
I will agree on this one, it is not aesthetically pleasing. I would prefer something in the area of a 700 that could run 320 km/h. The 700T can do 315 km/h, perhaps working off of that might lead to 320 km/h, the max speed that will be allowed on Tohoku Shinkansen.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 09:26 AM   #151
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Old February 15th, 2009, 09:20 PM   #152
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The FasTech Dolphin nose (Stream) was nice looking.


But they chose the Arrow (for noise and performance reasons, I believe)
I'm wondering, how big is the difference in noise and performance between both shapes.
I wouldn't be surprised, if it is it only few percent.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 09:59 PM   #153
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If that helps, the arrow line produces 10% smaller static pressure wave than the stream line.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 11:43 PM   #154
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On the Fasttech I even like the arrow-line nose better then the stream-line nose.



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Old February 16th, 2009, 12:23 AM   #155
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Here are the estimated costs of current TGV/ICE/Shinkansen lines:
TGV (LGV Rhin-Rhône): 14 million USD per km
TGV (LGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire): 33 million USD per km
ICE (Cologne–Frankfurt): 43 million USD per km
Shinkansen (Hokuriku, Kyushu): 70 million USD per km
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How many kilometers are tunnels out of these lines?
We can say that French HSL don't have tunnels at all. There are very few tunnels, the longest being the proposed 4 km tunnel throught hills on the LGV Est (not yet built), and the urban tunnel of Marseille (7 km).
LGV Rhin-Rhône: only one 2 km tunnel
LGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire: probably nothing (except maybe some short artificial tunnels)
The exception is the planned Lyon-Turin line (France-Italy), with about...120 km of tunnels on a 150 km line.

The Cologne–Frankfurt line has about 33 km of tunnels in a 170 km line.

The Bologna-Firenze line has 73 out 78 km underground and costed about 100 millions USD per km.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 07:34 AM   #156
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Let's ignite some fresh, healthy debate.
Does Japan have the most ridership levels? Most km of HSR track? Were they indeed the birthplace of HSR? (i thought they were...)

According to Wikipedia, the first HSR was the Italian ETR 200... Wait, that means its hard to define a "birthplace" of HSR. Uh oh....

Wikipedia also says the Tokaido Shinkansen line is by far the most used in the world.

Any thought on whose got the most infrastructure for HSR?
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Old February 16th, 2009, 07:46 AM   #157
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It's basically a question of either Europe or Asia. Us sad sack North Americans got nothing.
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the New bullet trains look like Dolphins!
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According to Website Mapion.co.jp , there is no track connection between two Shinkansen
There is even no service connection between Japan's lines? For example, to swap trains or to transport them from the factory to their customers?
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As far I as remember there are some service tracks connecting Toukaidou Shinkansen with Touhoku Shinkansen at Toukyou Station, but they're not normally in use.
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