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Old March 24th, 2016, 02:51 PM   #1761
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With a 1,350 seat capacity train where ridership is only 50% off peak is not profitable to the operate compared to a 728 seat capacity with 80% ridership all the time. When there is more demand they can simply add more frequency.
Tokaido Shinkansen had 4 trains per hour back in 1964. Chuo Shinkansen would only have 5 trains per hour.
If these 10 trains per hour of 1323 seats were only 50 % full off peak and unprofitable then Shinkansen could cut the frequencies off peak to say 6 trains per hour at 80 % full.

For some reason, they haven't.
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Old March 24th, 2016, 08:49 PM   #1762
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From the transportation industry prospect, seat capacity and unit time rider capacity are mostly the same. That is why the airliner industry are moving away from the Jumbo 747 and A380 and favoring smaller 777,787 and A350s since they don't have to fly a large plane where ridership can be maintained at 80% constantly and and can add more flights when they require it.
With a 1,350 seat capacity train where ridership is only 50% off peak is not profitable to the operate compared to a 728 seat capacity with 80% ridership all the time. When there is more demand they can simply add more frequency.
First that's a completely different argument than provided before and second it depends how much more expensive is to run 1,350 seat capacity train versus 728 seat capacity train. If the difference is only 20% then a math is different...
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Old March 25th, 2016, 01:51 PM   #1763
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Hokkaido Shinkansen grand opening!

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Some 43 years in the making, Hokkaido shinkansen dream finally comes true

SAPPORO – The opening on Saturday of the Hokkaido Shinkansen Line, a high-speed railway connecting Hokkaido with Honshu via an undersea tunnel, will be the culmination of an epic project 42 years in the making.
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The Hokkaido Shinkansen Line project to connect Aomori and Sapporo was adopted by the government in November 1973. But the government put a temporary freeze on the project in September 1982 due to economic stagnation after the second oil crisis and the enormous debts burdening the state-run Japanese National Railways.
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The Seikan Tunnel, which runs under the Tsugaru Strait, opened to traffic in 1988 after nearly a quarter century of challenging construction work. It was originally designed to have a regular track for regional railway services, but was constructed with a wider track in mind to accommodate bullet trains after the project was adopted.

“We encouraged each other with the slogan ‘bring the shinkansen to Hokkaido,’ ” said Toshio Kadoya, an 81-year-old former construction worker at the mouth of the tunnel.

Even after the completion of the tunnel, however, there were limited prospects for the opening of the Hokkaido Shinkansen Line.

The tipping point came in November 2000.

A proposal by Hokkaido Railway Co. for the partial opening of the line to near the Hokkaido city of Hakodate, instead of the full route to Sapporo, gained the support of then-Hokkaido Gov. Tatsuya Hori, who reversed his previous calls for a full-scale opening.

The policy shift met with strong protests within Hokkaido. But Takahashi, who succeeded Hori in 2003, supported his decision.

In the belief that pressing for the complete line to Sapporo would cause further delays, Takahashi traveled across Hokkaido to win support from affected people, telling them the shinkansen line would certainly reach Sapporo someday.
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The fastest train on the Hokkaido Shinkansen Line, to be operated by JR Hokkaido, will connect the two stations in one hour and one minute. East Japan Railway Co.’s Tohoku Shinkansen Line, which links Tokyo and Shin-Aomori, will be connected to the Hokkaido Shinkansen Line, offering seamless travel between Tokyo and Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto in four hours and two minutes by the fastest train.

A total of 34 workers died during the construction of the 53.85-km Seikan Tunnel. And many others passed away before seeing a sophisticated high-speed train run on the Hokkaido Shinkansen Line.

“I want to tell my former colleagues that the shinkansen has become a reality,” Kadoya says.
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Old March 26th, 2016, 12:05 AM   #1764
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Old March 26th, 2016, 12:44 AM   #1765
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Congratulations Japan! Congratulations Hokkaido for the new Shinkansen line, the Hokkaido Shinkansen through the Seikan Tunnel!

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Old March 26th, 2016, 12:52 AM   #1766
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Old March 26th, 2016, 02:28 AM   #1767
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I saw the opening of Hokkaido Shinkansen via NHK. I just cried... of happiness!









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Old March 26th, 2016, 02:44 AM   #1768
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Old March 26th, 2016, 04:10 AM   #1769
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Nowadays, a travel on Shinkansen requires two tickets: a basic fare and a Shinkansen supplement ticket. In the station, passengers need to insert the two tickets at same time on the Shinkansen gate.

Is it possible to JR Group to create a unique Shinkansen ticket? This unique ticket could be valid for the entire trip (Shinkansen + local train). This could represent lower costs, respect for the environment and ease for the user.
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Old March 26th, 2016, 05:40 AM   #1770
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Courtesy of Sankei News' YouTube account, here's the full-length cab view video of the trip from Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto to Shin-Aomori Station, speeded up several times:

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Old March 26th, 2016, 07:44 PM   #1771
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So the best trip time is 4 hours 2 minutes.
How many trains travel Hakodate-Tokyo daily?
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Old March 26th, 2016, 07:57 PM   #1772
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So the best trip time is 4 hours 2 minutes.
How many trains travel Hakodate-Tokyo daily?
Based on a quick search on Hyperdia.com then 10 trains/day go the whole distance. Then there will also be some that only goes between Aomori and Hakodate, so there are most likely more options if you are prepared to change in Aomori.
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So the best trip time is 4 hours 2 minutes.
How many trains travel Hakodate-Tokyo daily?

Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto - Tokyo: 10 trains/day (round-trip)

Shin-Aomori - Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto: 1 train/day (round-trip)

Morioka - Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto: 1 train/day (only northbound)
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Old March 30th, 2016, 07:41 PM   #1774
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So to remind: how are the wide gauge and narrow gauge trains sharing the tunnel?
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Old March 30th, 2016, 08:35 PM   #1775
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The tracks are dual gauge, in other words the tracks got 3 rails instead of just 2.

The Shinkansen uses the outer 2 rails, and thenarrow gauge freight trains use one outer rail and the inner rail.





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The tracks are dual gauge, in other words the tracks got 3 rails instead of just 2.

The Shinkansen uses the outer 2 rails, and thenarrow gauge freight trains use one outer rail and the inner rail.



This must be a maintenance man's nightmare.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 04:11 AM   #1777
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And now, here's the real-time cab view video of the trip on the Hokkaido Shinkansen from Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto to Shin-Aomori Stations, taken from an H5 Series trainset:

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Most maintenance pain in the ass is fact that one shinkansen rail is used by zairaisen/freight trains. Different/asymmetry material wearing off problem.
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Old March 31st, 2016, 07:28 AM   #1779
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thenarrow gauge freight trains use one outer rail and the inner rail.
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How many narrow gauge passenger trains are now using the tunnel?
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Old March 31st, 2016, 07:31 AM   #1780
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How many narrow gauge passenger trains are now using the tunnel?
As of the beginning of shinkansen service, zero.
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