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Old December 30th, 2006, 10:57 PM   #181
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yeah before the 520 bridge and the viaduct gets finished there will be light rail to the eastside, its already going up for vote next year.
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Old January 1st, 2007, 03:11 AM   #182
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isn't most of this kind of stuff voted on by voters?

if so i think once people have the system up and running and see what a change it can do and bring they may be more motivated for future projects...
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Old January 1st, 2007, 03:59 PM   #183
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isn't most of this kind of stuff voted on by voters?

if so i think once people have the system up and running and see what a change it can do and bring they may be more motivated for future projects...
There is no set rule regarding what projects are the subject of a public vote. The process is heavily manipulated by special interests and politicians with their own agendas:

1. The politicians kept forcing new public votes on a monorail plan until the voters finally killed it on the fifth vote.

2. The mayor has been trying to avoid a public vote on his plan for a tunnel along the waterfront to replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct but the governor does not support the project and is now forcing a public vote.

3. The public will vote next November on taxes to support building a branch of the Central Link light rail line across Lake Washington to Bellevue and perhaps beyond; however, the politicians have forced the Central Link plan to be linked to a tax package for new road construction.
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 01:59 AM   #184
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 08:48 AM   #185
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 08:48 AM   #186
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 08:49 AM   #187
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 08:49 AM   #188
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 08:50 AM   #191
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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Old January 2nd, 2007, 08:50 AM   #193
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does anyone use that small monorail line in downtown seattle? or it is something used mainly by tourists/visitors/downtown workers?

how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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how much of the light rail line has been built so far? (is it being built in those bus tunnels they have?)
the monorail, is very much a tourist attraction, prices are like $4.

probably about 65% of the light rail line is done and yes it will run through the bus tunnel and the tunnel is opening in september while light rail opens in early 2009...
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 01:25 AM   #195
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The following are ridrship numbers for Puget Sound area streetcars and the Seattle Center Monorail:

- Tacoma Link (1.6 miles): 2300 passengers per day. (Please note that Tacoma Link is free and features free parking at one end.)


- George Benson Waterfront Streetcar - Now Defunct (1.6 miles): 800 passengers per day.


- South Lake Union Streetcar - Opens Fall 2007 (1.3 miles): 1000 passengers per day projected for the first year eventually growing to 3000 passengers per day.


- Seattle Center Monorail (1 mile): 6000 passengers per day. (Please note that the round-trip fare is $4.00 for adults.)


The Seattle Center Monorail has fairly impressive ridership numbers for a system that is just a tourist attraction.
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 02:53 AM   #196
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Oh I love ridership figures; Thanks! Are they expanding the Tacoma line?
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 05:16 AM   #197
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The waterfront line isn't "defunct". The rail cars are temporarily out of service until they complete the new maintenance facility in Pioneer square. In the time being, they run electric buses that are made up to resemble the street cars. The SDOT web page even shows the possibility of the waterfront line expanding to first hill:

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Old January 3rd, 2007, 06:04 AM   #198
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Oh I love ridership figures; Thanks! Are they expanding the Tacoma line?
no it would be near to imposible... they were talking about connecting it to central link, but that would require a whole new electrical system and new trains...
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 12:38 PM   #199
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Yes, if the vote is passed on the maximum rail version of "Sound Transit 2" which will extend from downtown Tacoma going to Tacoma Community College torwards getting closer to Tacoma Narrows Bridge area, there were talks about extending to Gig Harbor using the new Tacoma Narrows bridge on the lower bridge deck, that's all talks right now. The central link may extend all the way down to Fife (near Tacoma) ON the maximum rail vote. There's min, medium and maximum they can pick.
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The waterfront line isn't "defunct". The rail cars are temporarily out of service until they complete the new maintenance facility in Pioneer square. In the time being, they run electric buses that are made up to resemble the street cars. The SDOT web page even shows the possibility of the waterfront line expanding to first hill:

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Yes, plans are underway to restore service on the line. The following blurb is from the King County Metro website < http://transit.metrokc.gov/tops/wfsc...streetcar.html >:

Ongoing improvements to downtown's north waterfront area, including construction of the Olympic Sculpture Park and work on the northern end of the seawall, have necessitated the temporary suspension of the George Benson Line Waterfront Streetcar vintage Trolley service.

Metro is providing replacement service with special Route 99 Waterfront Streetcar Line buses. Bus routing and stop locations do not exactly duplicate the Streetcar, however the same neighborhoods are served - the Waterfront, Pioneer Square and Chinatown/International District.




The following is another blurb from the King County Metro website < http://transit.metrokc.gov/tops/wfsc/wsc_newhome.html >:

Waterfront streetcar gets new home that saves money and opens views from new sculpture park



The beloved George Benson Waterfront Streetcar will have a new home in historic Pioneer Square, and people of the region will be able to enjoy beautiful views and sculpture in a new waterfront park in legislation proposed by King County Executive Ron Sims today.

The proposals meet the county's goals of supporting the Seattle Art Museum's new sculpture park, while preserving the waterfront streetcar line. It will also cost less than half the amount compared to an earlier proposal to locate a facility on Port of Seattle property.

Metro Transit will provide free bus service beginning Nov. 19 through the construction of the sculpture park. The buses will feature specially designed graphics and will still link the International District/Chinatown, Pioneer Square and the Waterfront communities. The fare will be free, because the route will be within Metro's Downtown Seattle Ride Free Area.

"This is a victory for streetcar riders, the Pioneer Square community, transit passengers, and the citizens of the region who will get to enjoy a spectacular new park," said Sims. "Having the streetcar maintenance garage in Pioneer Square not only saves $11 million dollars, but it also opens new possibilities for extending the popular streetcar service and builds much-needed market rate housing."

The Main Street location was one of the highest-rated sites in a Metro Transit study in October 2004 analyzing potential sites. The city and the port would each pay $1 million, and the county would pay $7 million. A Port proposal to locate the facility north of the new sculpture park would have cost more than $20 million.

In an agreement reached with the Seattle Art Museum, the museum will demolish the streetcar maintenance barn, Broad Street passenger station, and tracks and then replace them with new tracks and a passenger station that links to the pedestrian sky bridge in the new Olympic Sculpture Park. In a separate agreement, a private developer will include a new $9 million streetcar maintenance facility in a mixed use building at Main Street and Occidental Park.

"This proposal accomplishes what I've advocated for three years: an affordable plan that ensures both great assets are available to the public," said King County Council Chairman Larry Phillips. "By moving the trolley barn from the site of Olympic Sculpture Park, we are opening up the view of the Olympics and access to Elliott Bay to citizens for decades to come. Our region will keep waterfront trolley service and gain a new park to treasure."

Locating the new maintenance facility at Occidental Park will enable the county to resume full operations of the current streetcar line and provide the capability to extend the line in the future.

The developer, Center of Pioneer Square LLC, of Seattle, will build badly needed market rate housing in a building that includes retail space that will open directly onto Occidental Park. The county would enter a lease-to own agreement for the streetcar maintenance garage.

The maintenance barn will be demolished one week following the Nov. 19 transition from streetcar to bus. The historic streetcars should be back on track in 18 to 24 months. The goal is to have the streetcars back in service by the tourist season in 2007.

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