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Old July 4th, 2009, 06:58 AM   #2081
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Again, it's most likely the car drivers/the pedestrians going to violate the rules who causes the accidents.

there is no different from some one runs the red and hit by another car; but now you are just going to hit by a heavier rail, and got injured.
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One anti-rail group is actually calling for Sound Transit to be held "chargeable" for any collisons between the LRV, and a vehicle. Basically saying Sound Transit could have prevented it.

They never give up.
I don't understand how people can be so stupid when driving. If you decide to ignore the signals, at least do a simple shoulder check before turning left. Be smart: at least look out for your own safety if you don't care about others.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 08:11 AM   #2082
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It was some old codger, who shouldn;t have been driving anyways, that took a LEFT turn at a red light (WHAT?). If someone is that stupid and reckless, they deserved to have their vehicle destroyed by a train.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 01:54 PM   #2083
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There is no disagreement that the automobile drivers are at fault. The issue is that these accidents happen on a regular basis and service is disrupted every time there is an accident. Building a transit line on city streets results in lower speeds and less reliable service.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 02:17 PM   #2084
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So there are some parts wherein it mixes with traffic?
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Old July 4th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #2085
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So there are some parts wherein it mixes with traffic?
on MLK ave, and in some parts of Sodo, it has at grade road crossings (which is where the 2 accidents have occurred). But the track itself is in its own median separated from the rest of the street.
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Old July 5th, 2009, 08:18 PM   #2086
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I really like the design of Tukwila blvd and Tacoma stations, very modern and interesting... but damn.. i'm sorry, but these are the most ugly trams i've ever seen. I hope this is just a test version.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #2087
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I really like the design of Tukwila blvd and Tacoma stations, very modern and interesting... but damn.. i'm sorry, but these are the most ugly trams i've ever seen. I hope this is just a test version.
They aren't the test versions. Those are the trains we will have. 31 light rail trains in our fleet as well.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #2088
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Alright, I will definitely head down to Seattle to try it after July 18th...just in case
Cool! Just don't brag too much about how Skytrain is superior
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Old July 8th, 2009, 02:41 AM   #2089
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Skytrain isn't superior.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 05:50 AM   #2090
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Skytrain isn't superior.
Depends on how it's used. Toronto just failed miserably.

The LINK would be an interesting ride. I'm really interested to see how this feels compared to Portland's MAX. I would think that the LINK will feel much faster and metro-like compared to the latter.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 06:54 AM   #2091
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Yeah Seattle built a "light metro" system I think... just are calling in light rail. It will be much different from Portland because it does not run on city streets. In downtown where it will run underground, that is vital in providing fast reliable service.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 07:14 AM   #2092
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Skytrain isn't superior.
Skytrain is automated and completely grade separated meaning that it can achieve very tight headways that LINK cannot. However, they both have similar average speeds, both around 28 mph iirc.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 09:17 AM   #2093
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Skytrain is automated and completely grade separated meaning that it can achieve very tight headways that LINK cannot. However, they both have similar average speeds, both around 28 mph iirc.
Well LINK can still be built much cheaper than SkyTrain now. It really isn't about which technology is superior over the other, but how they are used. I think though that Seattle made a wise decision to go with LRT instead of HRT now. Expansions to Bellevue can utilize existing I-90 bridge, which will save A LOT more money compared to building a new bridge or modifying the existing structure to make it sound to handle HRT. I know the bridge itself will need some reconfiguration, but that's really not a lot.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #2094
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Thanks for all of the pics GB55.

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There was a lot of criticism of the light ral line when it was proposed that it would be noisy and would result in a lot of accidents where it runs in the median of city streets. The system has proven not to be as bad as the critics had anticipated, but it has not been without problems.

This is the third incident involving a test train in Rainier Valley, where tracks run in a median at street level. Two were crashes with cars, and in one case, a person walked into the side of a train, according to Sound Transit.

A decade ago, an environmental-impact statement predicted 29 car-train collisions per year, and three with pedestrians, based on experience in other cities. Transit officials said actual numbers would be less in Seattle, because of improved warning signals and road designs, as well as relatively careful drivers here.
This is rather strange....how does a pedestrian walk into the side of a train?!?
Reading the paper or looking at their phone whilst walking without looking....
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Old July 8th, 2009, 05:57 PM   #2095
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Cool! Just don't brag too much about how Skytrain is superior
I think LINK is pretty cool as well...seeing that it has spacious cars (2 car per set with 6 sets) and underground tunnels for the Downtown region and spacious stations with beautiful public art.


Our tiny SkyTrain cars

By the way, what are the fare prices?
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Old July 8th, 2009, 06:03 PM   #2096
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Skytrain is automated and completely grade separated meaning that it can achieve very tight headways that LINK cannot. However, they both have similar average speeds, both around 28 mph iirc.
I have used the SKytrain, and I have seen trains waiting to enter stations. Tight headways, and grade-seperation do not make a great system.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 06:07 PM   #2097
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^ that's a timing problem....

Grade seperation does makeit a better system as opposed to street-level ROW/ LRTs.

I am not sure if a driverless system is a factor?
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Old July 8th, 2009, 07:48 PM   #2098
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^ that's a timing problem....

Grade seperation does makeit a better system as opposed to street-level ROW/ LRTs.

I am not sure if a driverless system is a factor?
If grade-seperation is cost-effective, and justified, sure.
I do not see it as a factor in making a system better, though.
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Old July 9th, 2009, 03:13 AM   #2099
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Just as long as everyone is happy with it, yes?
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Old July 9th, 2009, 03:39 AM   #2100
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To me, I thought that Skytrain would be better because of grade-separation, automated, shorter headways, and the fact that the speed advantage is more obvious, considering that it travels among city neighborhoods and not freeways like some of LINK.

Good arguments about LINK, though.
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