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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:13 AM   #2121
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Why is the extension to the University of Washington going to take so long to build? It's so much shorter than the initial segment of the line, even with tunneling I can't see why it would take til 2016 to complete it.
It will take longer to collect the Tattoo and Piercings Tax on this line as the tax base is Vagrant
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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:28 AM   #2122
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I don't feel so good abut the US bailing out GM
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060612/mintz
In 1949, three of our largest corporations--General Motors, Standard Oil of California (SoCal, now Chevron) and Firestone Tire and Rubber (now Japan's Bridgestone)--were convicted of having conspired for more than a decade to replace highly efficient urban electric transit systems with bus lines. The bus lines' operators contracted never to buy new equipment "using any fuel or means of propulsion other than" petroleum. GM, SoCal and Firestone were fined $5,000 each, the maximum the antitrust laws then allowed. GM's treasurer, also convicted, was fined $1.

GM's $5,001 punishment somehow failed to deter it from continuing for six years to acquire electric-powered rail and bus properties and convert them to gasoline and diesel. The conspiracy-to-monopolize convictions, upheld on appeal, never received attention commensurate with their impact. In 1974, however, they did become a subject of Senate Antitrust and Monopoly Subcommittee hearings on the broad topic of auto industry reform.

Strikingly, the subcommittee chairman, Philip Hart, was the senior senator from Michigan, where the auto industry was dominant and where GM was the dominant corporation. An assistant subcommittee counsel, Bradford Snell, had researched the conspiracy for American Ground Transport, a study financed by the Stern Fund. GM, he testified, had led the destruction of more than 100 electric-rail transit systems in forty-five cities, including New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore and St. Louis.

The instruments of destruction were principally National City Lines (NCL) and other holding companies formed by GM, a manufacturer of gas and diesel buses; SoCal and Phillips Petroleum, providers of gasoline and diesel fuels; and Firestone, provider of bus tires. To finance the conversion of electric transit systems in sixteen states to gas or diesel buses, GM, SoCal, Firestone and Phillips (also convicted) gave NCL $9 million by 1950, Snell told the hearing. The conversion was virtually complete by the mid-1950s. In Los Angeles, Snell testified, GM and SoCal created NCL affiliates that bought up and scrapped rail lines, including those used by Pacific Electric, the world's largest electric railway operation. Its 3,000 trains had carried 80 million passengers through fifty-six Southern California incorporated communities annually. "Motorization drastically altered the way of life in Southern California," Snell wrote in a section of the study later endorsed by Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley. "Today," he continued,

Los Angeles is an ecological wasteland. The palm trees are dying from petrochemical smog; the orange groves have been paved over by 300 miles of freeways; the air is a septic tank into which 4 million cars, half of them built by General Motors, pump 13,000 tons of pollutants daily.... As early as 1963, the city was already seeking ways of raising $500 million to rebuild a rail system "to supersede its present inadequate network of bus lines".... A decade later, the estimated cost of constructing a 116-mile rail system, less than one-sixth the size of the earlier Pacific Electric, had escalated to more than $6 billion.

"In every city and suburb, our rail and bus services are either dead or dying," Snell testified. "At the same time, American travelers returning from Europe, for example, say there is a 'bus gap.' Even in Moscow, they say, the buses and subways look better than anything made in the United States. Travelers back from Japan tell the same story. Having ridden the 150-mile-per-hour bullet trains, they ask, 'Whatever happened to America's railroads?' " What happened was that with the end of steam, railroads everywhere electrified. Everywhere but here, that is: GM, the railroads' biggest single customer, forced them to switch to much less efficient diesel locomotives.

In a sixty-seven-page reply to these and other Snell charges, GM said it "did not generate the winds of change which doomed the streetcar systems" but did, "through its buses, help to alleviate the disruption left in their wake." Recalling the 1930s, GM said: "Times were hard and public transportation systems were collapsing.... GM was able to help with technology, with enterprise, and in some cases, with capital.... The buses it sold helped give mass transportation a new lease on life, which lasted into the postwar years." After reviewing the trial record, the senior judge of the US Court of Appeals in Washington, George MacKinnon, dismissed GM's defense. The convictions of GM, SoCal and Firestone resulted from "their concerted effort to replace electric streetcars with buses in numerous large and small cities," he told the Legal Times in 1990.

Resurrecting the story of the illegal behavior that distorted our transportation system will do nothing to lower gas prices. But it is instructive. It warns of a Congress that instead of overseeing corporate power is overseen by it. It illuminates the hypocrisy of tough-on-crime politicians and pundits who remain silent about corporate crime that harms people and the environment and even kills. And it shines a light on the inspiring legacy of a lawmaker whose name graces a Senate office building but whose brand of moral courage has too seldom been visible on Capitol Hill in the three decades since his death.
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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:29 AM   #2123
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It will take longer to collect the Tattoo and Piercings Tax on this line as the tax base is Vagrant
Just Kidding LOL
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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:44 AM   #2124
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Too bad they didn't bother to get rid of the scotch broom and other invasive weeds near the line ( I thought The county was responsible for removing invasive WEEDS)
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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:54 AM   #2125
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Hey, this might have been another Drug Related Death
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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:56 AM   #2126
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BUS DRIVERS? THAT's F'ING scary.
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Old July 20th, 2009, 08:59 AM   #2127
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We call it the waterfall! Thats what it sounds like?
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 08:02 PM   #2128
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Beacon Hill Station

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Old July 23rd, 2009, 10:38 PM   #2129
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Thanks - looks good.

Wouldn't the train's destination be more useful than "Sound Transit"?

Also, why so slow when entering the station? I'm used to trains rushing in and decelerating in the station
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Old July 24th, 2009, 08:14 AM   #2130
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Brand new system lol so there are some things to work out... Hopefully theyll will deccelarate more rapidly in the coming months though

All trains usually do have the destination on the front.. not sure why this one didnt.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #2131
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Seattle's Link Light Rail opens its airport station:

http://seattletransitblog.com/2009/1...ector-shuttle/
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...htrail19m.html
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 03:46 AM   #2132
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Any new photos / videos of the new extension? When is the next extension planned to open? Thanks!
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 10:53 PM   #2133
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Next is probably the first northern extension of the same line, with just two stops, at Capitol Hill and the University of Washington, both promising high ridership. This is all subway. Completion is 2016. Construction is underway with work bidding in several separate pieces at separate times...so far so good: the first estimated $400,000,000 of tunnel packages came in with bids of $300,000,000.

Additional north and south extensions as well as a new east line are funded and planned for 2021-2023 completion. However there's a chance that at least one stop of the south extension (from Sea-Tac) could happen much sooner.

Shorter term, we've voted on a 20% expansion of bus service in King County including some sort-of-BRT. Some of this requires new infrastructure and some just needs tax collections to recover before the promise is realized. A handful of sort-of-BRT lines should start in the 2011-2013 period.
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 07:04 PM   #2134
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There are lots of photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/atomict...7623034605658/

And here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/viriyin.../soundtransit/
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Old December 24th, 2009, 03:41 AM   #2135
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Sound Transit Photo of the Week



Now arriving at the station

Sound Transit Board Chair Greg Nickels, along with Boardmembers, media and the public, welcome the first Link light rail train to the new SeaTac/Airport Station on Saturday. Trains are now running nearly 16 miles between downtown Seattle and the airport.
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Old December 24th, 2009, 07:02 PM   #2136
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I did use the light rail to get to SeaTac on the 21st. The only complaints I have.

1) No stairs at SeaTac station. For people like my mom who do not like to carry luggage on escalators and when elevators are out, it'd be nice to have an alternative.
2) Enclose the darn place! It was a freezing four minute walk in the cold.
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Old December 25th, 2009, 03:49 PM   #2137
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Do passengers have to walk through the parking garage?

Are there plans to add stations to the inital segment? The ridership numbers are a tad low for such a system.
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Old December 26th, 2009, 04:43 AM   #2138
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Do passengers have to walk through the parking garage?

Are there plans to add stations to the inital segment? The ridership numbers are a tad low for such a system.
Passengers walk along the edge of the parking garage, but are separated from it by a barrier (with one or two breaches which allow access to the parking area). It's relatively short walk (under five minutes) to the skybridges leading to the terminal, but it is open to the wind. The initial segment is currently expanding north the University of Washington (two new stations). The line will be extended south from the airport to Federal Way in the future. Some would like more stations added to the route between downtown and SeaTac, but none are planned.
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Old August 1st, 2010, 02:18 AM   #2139
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when does the university extension open?
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Old August 1st, 2010, 03:29 AM   #2140
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I think it will open at around November 2016.
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