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Old November 16th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #2161
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Can't wait for this to start, too bad all infrastructure project in the States will suffer from years of delays and billions of dollars of budget overruns. I think once they start charging tolls on SR520 and I90 bridges people will start to favor a reliable mass transit option to cross the lake.
Hasn't had any actual delays or overruns yet... Just lots of hand wringing, posturing, arguing, etc. The first segment did 'go over budget' but that was more a product of an overly rosy cost estimation for the build package than project mismanagement or external challenges.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 08:19 AM   #2162
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Sound Transit has been building under budget for years now.

Likewise, most public projects lately have been way under budget due to low prices industrywide these days.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #2163
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Sound Transit has been building under budget for years now.
And that is, without a doubt, sound transit!
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Old December 4th, 2011, 12:25 PM   #2164
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Does anyone else think that Seattle's LRT system would benefit from clearer branding and less-clunky nomenclature? Referring to lines, and segments of lines, as [direction] Link is awkward. I think Sound Transit missed an opportunity by not branding it as a metro, or something similarly pronounceable. What do people actually call it now? The Link? The LRT? The light rail? What happens when the east line opens? Long-term, as the system inevitably expands, this naming system won't be sustainable.

"Doris, to get to the Space Needle, you just need to take the East-Northeast Link down to Such-and-Such Station on the East Link, and then take that to the International District on the Central Link, change trains there, and..."

Clunky. What Seattle now has is a light metro. Line 1, Line 2... much easier. Thoughts?
Not really. The terms "North Link" or "University Link" are used as shorthand terms for extensions of the same line. It's not as if someone is going to need to transfer from one train to another, as in your hypothetical, and I doubt those terms will be used after the extensions are completed. They're all part of Central Link and are used by Sound Transit when referring to phases of the project, not separate lines. The only new subway line that's not an expansion of the current line, East Link, is easily distinguishable from the current line because it's the only one going east.

In a brighter future, when additional new lines are added, a new naming scheme might have to be picked to avoid the type of confusion you allude to. Already, there's a problem with station names. One of the downtown stations is named "University Street" station, for the street the station emerges onto. That's easily confuse-able with the University of Washington, located several miles to the north and with 2 stations scheduled for development. Already there's been complaints about the confusion this could cause.
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Old December 4th, 2011, 01:34 PM   #2165
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First U-Link Tunnel Completed

The first tunnel between Capitol Hill station and the downtown transit tunnel has been completed. The TBM "Brenda" completed the northbound tunnel about 10 days ago and has been disassembled. She'll be relaunched from the Capitol Hill station box in February 2012. Meanwhile, the two TBMs launched from the University of Washington station are making their ways toward Capitol Hill. One is just over half way to the station and the second one is just over a third.



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Old December 16th, 2011, 08:45 AM   #2166
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Old December 16th, 2011, 06:41 PM   #2167
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Neat I wonder how old's the new livery of the busses there now ...
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Old December 16th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #2168
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very good video of the seattle area.

i was wondering : is it legal do break a solid white line to enter the HOV lane from a general purpose lane? Because lot's of cars do it : when traffic slows down on the general purpose lane they switch to the HOV lane despite the solid white line
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Old December 17th, 2011, 01:10 AM   #2169
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Yes, it's illegal ... there must be a lack of enforcement there.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 05:53 AM   #2170
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Yes, it's illegal ... there must be a lack of enforcement there.
no, it is illegal to cross double white lines. a solid white line always separates HOV from general traffic
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Old December 17th, 2011, 06:59 PM   #2171
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Good to see that the Link Lighrail extension is making good progress.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 10:06 PM   #2172
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a solid white line always separates HOV from general traffic
I know ... Montreal's own solid white lines preceded any I saw driving around Seattle (introduced to mitigate our abominally short exit and entrance expressway ramps ) ... I answered him Si as though I was answering "Yes" to a question posed in the 'negative' instead of No I'm forever muddling positive with negative
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Old December 19th, 2011, 09:39 AM   #2173
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I know ... Montreal's own solid white lines preceded any I saw driving around Seattle (introduced to mitigate our abominally short exit and entrance expressway ramps ) ... I answered him Si as though I was answering "Yes" to a question posed in the 'negative' instead of No I'm forever muddling positive with negative
Not every city in the US uses a solid white line to separate HOV traffic. I have seen yellow lines, yellow and white lines, segmented white lines, double white lines, and even just regular lines used for HOV lanes in different cities.

In this case, it is legal to cross the solid white line for HOV access.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 10:11 AM   #2174
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Some pictures of the different modes of public transportation in Seattle.

Trains

Light Rail LRT:
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Streetcar (Tram) with monorail:
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Commuter Rail:
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Buses

Double Decker:
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Electric (Trolley Bus):
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Ferry

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Water Taxi:
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Old December 19th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #2175
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Have to say that I love the monorail, but that SOB really rocks on the turns! LOL, when I rode it I saw strollers (the kids were not in them) falling and people that do not sit really have to hold on.

Contrast that to the LR and street car....those are smooth as butter.

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Old December 19th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #2176
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it is legal to cross the solid white line for HOV access.
That's queer, to be undermining a solid for reasons of traffic volume over safety all while clear, inspiring HOV-lane signage ought to be the instructive way ...
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Old December 20th, 2011, 03:00 AM   #2177
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I believe that is incorrect. You're allowed to cross the single white line. In a few areas, there are double white lines with signs explicitly saying that its illegal to cross the double lines. Otherwise, everyone getting on at each exit in the city limits wouldn't be able to get to the HOV lanes...
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Old December 20th, 2011, 09:32 PM   #2178
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The highway 167 HOT lines have double white lines preventing people from crossing due to tolling requirements.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 01:43 AM   #2179
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You're allowed to cross the single solid white line
That's the queerness.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 09:49 AM   #2180
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You're allowed to cross the single solid white line

That's the queerness.
The MUTCD for the US does not prohibit crossing a single solid white lane, only discourages it. Only a double solid white line expressively prohibits crossing. However, since the MUTCD does not provide explicit rules for this, each state has its own rules regarding whether it is legal to cross a solid white line.

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A single solid white line is used for a variety of lines that drivers should be discouraged from crossing in "normal" situations but which drivers do need to cross in some situations. An example is the "edge line"---the line that separates the rightmost travel lane from the shoulder. The single solid white line discourages crossing onto the shoulder but does not prohibit it because it is obviously desirable and/or necessary to cross it in some situations, such as an emergency stop.
See Quoted from MUTCD Faqs

I feel that we are straying a bit from the main topic on public transportation and this would probably be more appropriate in the highways section.
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