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Old March 13th, 2016, 05:13 PM   #2581
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I'm glad they are opening the line and I don't mean to rain on Seattle's parade but........... I think they made a grave mistake in only having one intermediate station.

They have created a 4km non-stop stretch in the inner city which tosses out 10,000s of potential riders. Yes, there is always a conversation between accessibility/stations and speed but this is too much of a gap in the city itself. They have built a line that doesn't serve the mid-density they want the other future area to develop into.

4 km between stations is more like commuter rail station spacing and has no place inner city urban transit.
There were major issues with the terrain, curvature, soil, and several other things. The new First Hill streetcar is deliberately designed to plug that gap.
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Old March 13th, 2016, 07:38 PM   #2582
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I'm glad they are opening the line and I don't mean to rain on Seattle's parade but........... I think they made a grave mistake in only having one intermediate station.

They have created a 4km non-stop stretch in the inner city which tosses out 10,000s of potential riders. Yes, there is always a conversation between accessibility/stations and speed but this is too much of a gap in the city itself. They have built a line that doesn't serve the mid-density they want the other future area to develop into.

4 km between stations is more like commuter rail station spacing and has no place inner city urban transit.
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There were major issues with the terrain, curvature, soil, and several other things. The new First Hill streetcar is deliberately designed to plug that gap.
I wish there had been a station at Volunteer Park, which would have served multiple purposes: thick, residential area, in somewhat close proximity to the 15th Avenue East business district, and of course Volunteer Park with all it has to offer (Seattle Asian Art Museum, VP conservatory, water tower, lush tree canopy with sun-dappled lawns), nearby Lakeview cemetery (with graves of some well-known individuals), tremendous views from Louisa Boren Park, etc. The tracks run literally underneath the park. Of course, as 00Z alludes to, there might have also been a station on First Hill, but for the reasons he mentions, that wasn't possible and the First Hill Streetcar line was a consolation prize. So, yes, it's a long way from CH station to UW/Husky station without an intermediate stop. If the funding materializes for an extension of the FHSC line along Broadway toward Aloha or even Roy Streets, that would bring the terminus closer to Volunteer Park, though an uphill slog for those not fit enough to walk it. Be assured that beyond UW/Husky stadium toward Northgate (now in building stage) there will fewer gaps in station siting.
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Old March 14th, 2016, 01:50 AM   #2583
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I wish there had been a station at Volunteer Park, which would have served multiple purposes: thick, residential area, in somewhat close proximity to the 15th Avenue East business district, and of course Volunteer Park with all it has to offer (Seattle Asian Art Museum, VP conservatory, water tower, lush tree canopy with sun-dappled lawns), nearby Lakeview cemetery (with graves of some well-known individuals), tremendous views from Louisa Boren Park, etc. The tracks run literally underneath the park. Of course, as 00Z alludes to, there might have also been a station on First Hill, but for the reasons he mentions, that wasn't possible and the First Hill Streetcar line was a consolation prize. So, yes, it's a long way from CH station to UW/Husky station without an intermediate stop. If the funding materializes for an extension of the FHSC line along Broadway toward Aloha or even Roy Streets, that would bring the terminus closer to Volunteer Park, though an uphill slog for those not fit enough to walk it. Be assured that beyond UW/Husky stadium toward Northgate (now in building stage) there will fewer gaps in station siting.
If we had the money and could avoid the risks (and not jeopardize FTA funding), a Volunteer Park station would've been a spectacular asset. Sadly, the line is sloped all the way from CHS to the Montlake Cut, so there's no hope of ever building a station unless a new line entirely is built.

I would hope that the streetcar eventually terminates at the front door of the Asian Art Museum (off-topic, but it needs more non-Chinese and non-Japanese works...Korean art is apparently hard to come by). Perfect place for a photo-op, with the Space Needle in the background.
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Old March 14th, 2016, 06:09 PM   #2584
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Capitol Hill Station

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Old March 14th, 2016, 11:13 PM   #2585
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Too bad they can't put a Link station at Volunteer Park.
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Big doings planned for Saturday's U-Link inaugural. From Sound Transit.
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Too bad they can't put a Link station at Volunteer Park.
Yeah, it would have been nice. There might have been some NIMBY reaction against it as well. The neighborhood around Volunteer Park is mostly SFHs and not an urban village like Capitol Hill or First Hill. On that note, I always had to wonder how much of an engineering difficulty the First Hill Station that was part of the plan in the late 90s actually was, and how much of the reason it was dropped was just to cut costs and digging time...subway tunnels have been built through solid granite in many places around the globe.
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I seem to recall that it wasn't just solid rock. The issue was to do with faults IN the rock. Trying to put the tunnel through that, let alone a station, that would have risked cave-ins as well as major settlement above.
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I've heard that the risk involved with First Hill would've jeopardized federal funding. ULink has $800 million in federal grants as a result of taking a safe route.
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Rail ridership statistics from the PSRC (Link and Sounder combined):

http://blog.psrc.org/2016/03/rail-ri...nues-to-climb/
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OK, Seattle, I want to congratulate you with opening of new LRT extension to University of Washington
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Id expect to see a Tsunami of photos posted later today...
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I rode from Capitol Hill to Downtown today. It was pretty packed! And breathtakingly fast compared to any alternative before.

Speaking of Volunteer Park, that's why I was on the hill today, visiting the Seattle Asian Art Museum (formerly the Seattle Art Museum, now home to its Asian collections) with some other people. The park is popular, but it's still low-intensity compared to an equivalent area of houses. The cemetery and ravines wouldn't help. Plus it's pretty close to Capitol Hill Station. I can't imagine it justifying its own station. (Now a station around Pine and Melrose on the other hand....
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CAVEAT: Excuse the poor quality of some of the pix. I was rushed at times. Some motion photos are fuzzy. And the subterranean lighting was not optimal for my less-than expensive camera. With that, here are some opening day pictures.

It's official!








Capitol Hill.
Real time information board!




Even the dogs got to enjoy opening day!








Crush mode.








A lot of tiling of various shades adorn CH station.




And art.






Touting the neighborhood.


Volunteers aplenty to handle/help/guide the crowds.














Intrepid cyclist braves the crowds.


UW/Husky Stadium.
Hospital scrubs. The mammoth UW Medical Center staff will be frequent users of Link, the station being just across the street.


UW station is very deep down.


















About time!


I had never entered Husky Stadium before.















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Video of the Capitol Hill speeches and opening.

Excuse the shakiness and the pauses (took stills during video...someday I'll have a better system thought out):

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Thanks for the update, I was at UW for the cherry blossom but didn't have time to visit the station.
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Some recent Seattle Streetcars from Peter Ehrlich


SEATTLE--404 at Broadway/Pike IB
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SEATTLE--405 appr Broadway/Denny
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SEATTLE--403 at Broadway/Fir IB
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SEATTLE--404, 4204 at Broadway/Denny
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SEATTLE--404 at 14th Avenue/Yesler Way OB
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SEATTLE--404 lv Broadway/Denny Terminal
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SEATTLE--402 at Yesler Way/13th Avenue IB
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A few pix from the UW/Husky Stadium station taken today, without the crowds.











Patience indeed! That's an understatement if I ever saw one.












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Whats with the Weird Chrome like skin on the front of the train?
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