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Old January 30th, 2007, 05:32 AM   #281
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Sometimes the predictions could be wrong. They predicted 2,000 per weekday by 2010 on the Tacoma Link. They average nearly 3,000 per weekday.

The Las Vegas monorail predictions were overestimated. The weekdays got lower ridership than they expected and they raised the fares. Yikes!
^ Well, Vancouver is transplanting the ridership of an existing rapid bus line (35,000 people daily) on the same route of the Canada Line as well as another transplant of 25,000 people/day from existing bus services along the same corridor. In addition, they are expecting 30,000 new riders. So that adds up to around 90,000-110,000 passengers per day.

IMO, the absolute low for Canada Line ridership is 75,000-80,000 passengers per day.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 07:31 AM   #282
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i think they always project ridership lower than reality just so they can publish that everything has exceeded their expectations and didn't we do a good job - lets pat ourselves on the back now
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Old January 30th, 2007, 08:06 AM   #283
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i think they always project ridership lower than reality just so they can publish that everything has exceeded their expectations and didn't we do a good job - lets pat ourselves on the back now
I would think this as well....at least this time, they are.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 11:07 AM   #284
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In this map of the new system, it seems that the stations are all really far apart from each other -is this for any particular reason? Or will the stations serve as 'transit hubs' rather than suburban stations?

I really like the name of the 'Orca Card' too -really suits Seattle.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 08:14 PM   #285
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Aye, they are far apart. I don't know the exact methodology to picking those locations for stations, but ST was met with strong resistance in Rainier Valley and Tukwilla, which is where you find the most spaced stations. Most of the stations will have bus transfers, so in effect, they are transit hubs. I know the International Blvd. station will be a major transit hub (and the airport for obvious reasons).

As to the 3,000 daily riders at the airport, that's the number on the fact sheet on the website. Again, it's only for that station, so it doesn't reflect systemwide increases. The numbers and methodologies are vague so the exact meaning of those numbers arn't clear to me. I've yet to see ridership projects be on target anyway, so we'll have to see when it finally opens in two and a half years.
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Usually they overestimate the riderships so as to get funding. Usually the actual ridership falls well short of the projected. I hope this project works well though.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 01:00 AM   #287
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Usually they overestimate the riderships so as to get funding. Usually the actual ridership falls well short of the projected. I hope this project works well though.
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Both arguments work, but I think the first one (overestimating) is more likely used in order to sell the project. (Not necessarily for this project but for selling anything)
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Old January 31st, 2007, 02:25 AM   #288
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I really like the name of the 'Orca Card' too -really suits Seattle.
Well, they stole Vancouver's name.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 02:55 AM   #289
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Well, they stole Vancouver's name.
orcas are found closer too seattle then to vancouver... sometimes they even venture into elliot bay...
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Old January 31st, 2007, 05:14 AM   #290
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orcas are found closer too seattle then to vancouver... sometimes they even venture into elliot bay...
Translink, Vancouver's transportation authority, began a study on intemplating the smart card into the transit system way back in the early 90s and the proposed name was called "Orca" or "One Regional Card for All"....which is the same name Seattle has.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 12:53 PM   #291
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In this map of the new system, it seems that the stations are all really far apart from each other -is this for any particular reason? Or will the stations serve as 'transit hubs' rather than suburban stations?

I really like the name of the 'Orca Card' too -really suits Seattle.
I agree, the stations are far apart excluding downtown (420m between stations). I'm sure they did all kinds of studies and talked to communities to figure out where stations would be though. But if I had my way, I would've added another station or two near Capitol Hill and one more between Brooklyn & Roosevelt just to fill in the gaps and to interconnect the neighborhoods more. Adding stations on existing lines (like what they're doing in DC or Atlanta I think) are very expensive and can take years.
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I agree, the stations are far apart excluding downtown (420m between stations). I'm sure they did all kinds of studies and talked to communities to figure out where stations would be though. But if I had my way, I would've added another station or two near Capitol Hill and one more between Brooklyn & Roosevelt just to fill in the gaps and to interconnect the neighborhoods more. Adding stations on existing lines (like what they're doing in DC or Atlanta I think) are very expensive and can take years.
I also think Sound transit is stressing an inter modal approach, mainly by using local bus lines heavily to disperse people through the rest of the neighborhood. While not an explicit policy, it seems to be the direction and focus.
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Old February 1st, 2007, 05:28 AM   #293
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I'm sure they did all kinds of studies and talked to communities to figure out where stations would be though.
I think you overestimate the city of Seattle...

I know the First hill station had to be scrapped because they wouldve had to build the station so deep.
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I think I recall something about soft soils in the planned station area too, which would have jacked up costs.
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There was a whole bunch of geo-technical risks that had the great potential to raise the cost of the project astronomically. It was deemed a prudent safeguard to the public's money to skip the first hill station. It seems a tentative plan is to use street car technology to link the area to the system.
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At least it can go up to 65 mph in some areas, which isn't too shabby for a light rail train.
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the downtown tunnel is opening in a couple of months... itll be cool to see how much its changed...
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Cost- 11 Billion 2006 Dollars
Ridership- 300k Daily on Link

Voters will be asked to pass a half cent sales tax increase to pay for this next year. It's going along with a package of taxes for roads that if either ballot fails, they both fail. The roads ballot is worth 9 billion.

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Old February 3rd, 2007, 10:47 AM   #299
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the downtown tunnel is opening in a couple of months... itll be cool to see how much its changed...
Did you say couple of months? That's 5 months earlier than they scheduled to open in Sept 2007. Yay! I can't wait to see it opening up.
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In this map of the new system, it seems that the stations are all really far apart from each other -is this for any particular reason? Or will the stations serve as 'transit hubs' rather than suburban stations?

I really like the name of the 'Orca Card' too -really suits Seattle.
I don't really think it's that far apart because there's like 17 stations in Seattle city limits alone compared to only one station for Sounder commuter rail. Big difference! I just wish they added more stations between International Blvd and Boeing Field, the problem it's not dense enough anyway. The route between Capitol Hill and University district is mostly sea of "rich folks" houses, this is why there's not a need for a station.

You should double check with BART (metro train in San Francisco bay area) They have stations far apart too. SF has more stations close together because SF is dense in a small area.
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