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Old September 7th, 2007, 06:44 AM   #1041
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No they don't. Have you never been to New York City? The remaining 44 percent of non-transit trips made in NYC aren't by cars. In fact, the Census shows 21 percent of travel is by walking and cycling, with the rest split among taxis, for-hire vans, carpools, and driving alone.
<sigh> Why is it when someone generalizes or gives an erroneous fact there is always someone to say "Have you ever even been to X-city?" YES I have been to NYC. I was generalizing about OTHER cities. A transit oriented city such as NYC gets at most 50-60% mode split for transit. Let's assume by some miracle some other city, Dallas let's say (since I was critiquing it in another thread), gets 50% transit mode share. Are the rest going to walk? Take a cab? Ride a bike? (BEFORE YOU FREAKING ASK, yes I have been to Dallas!!!) I'll tell you right now, Dallas is not NYC and its land use will not allow the number of bikers and walkers that NYC has.

EDIT: By the way, NYC (Manhattan):
52% Transit
32% Car
1.6% Taxi
.4% Bike
10.5% Walked
The rest: other/worked from home/motorcycle

US CENSUS 2000

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Old September 7th, 2007, 08:15 AM   #1042
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I've never really ridden a sound transit bus though. Is it just a regular city bus?
hmm, define regular city bus? All I can say most sound transit express buses have nice colors in the interior of the bus with cushion seats. they also have row of seats like those ong distance coaches on many of their sound transit bus fleet. The same above goes for community transit, too.
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Old September 7th, 2007, 08:17 AM   #1043
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Oh yes and I believe she was talking about the highlands, urban village. Sure thing about the low traffic CURRENTLY, but she was talking about the future, in 30 years. Populations going to grow. There's almost no room to expand I-90. And the 3200 new homes aren't even done constructing yet. I am not a resident up there, but I can tell you when I pass by in the mornings, the GP lanes on the ramp to I-90 are crowded. All the way up the hill.
Issaquah Highlands is already at least 1/2 built out. The additional housing still to be built there will make only a small bit of difference.

Yes, the ramps getting onto I-90 in the morning are very crowded, but the bus uses the express lanes so it doesn't have to deal with all that.

Especially since they finished the new bus/HOV ramps onto the Eastgate P&R last fall, the bus trip is a breeze. The HOV lanes would have to get, like, 4 times more crowded in the morning to really slow the buses down, and that's not going to happen for another 50 years, if at all. That being the case, there is absolutely no need to extend the Link out to Issaquah, the buses are more than adequate.
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Old September 7th, 2007, 08:29 AM   #1044
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Issaquah Highlands is already at least 1/2 built out. The additional housing still to be built there will make only a small bit of difference.

Yes, the ramps getting onto I-90 in the morning are very crowded, but the bus uses the express lanes so it doesn't have to deal with all that.

Especially since they finished the new bus/HOV ramps onto the Eastgate P&R last fall, the bus trip is a breeze. The HOV lanes would have to get, like, 4 times more crowded in the morning to really slow the buses down, and that's not going to happen for another 50 years, if at all. That being the case, there is absolutely no need to extend the Link out to Issaquah, the buses are more than adequate.
You're the commuter WSDOT is adding an additional carpool lane on the Mercer Island section of I-90 on the GP lanes down the bridge, (I'm not sure if it's going to extend onto the bridge or not) but would there be the need for that if it's already a breeze? I still don't get why they are doing that before the November vote though...
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Old September 7th, 2007, 08:30 AM   #1045
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hmm, define regular city bus? All I can say most sound transit express buses have nice colors in the interior of the bus with cushion seats. they also have row of seats like those ong distance coaches on many of their sound transit bus fleet. The same above goes for community transit, too.
So it's not like a Metro bus?
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Old September 7th, 2007, 08:57 AM   #1046
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I like riding ST buses. They're cleaner, comfier with cushioned seats, no smelly or scary people, and the air conditioning works. You should try it out!

And I think supporters of lightrail to Issaquah would argue that a rail line would attract *more* transit riders than conventional buses. I just don't know if the future projected ridership numbers would be enough to justify building the line.
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Old September 7th, 2007, 09:17 AM   #1047
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You're the commuter WSDOT is adding an additional carpool lane on the Mercer Island section of I-90 on the GP lanes down the bridge, (I'm not sure if it's going to extend onto the bridge or not) but would there be the need for that if it's already a breeze? I still don't get why they are doing that before the November vote though...
Actually, I *have* been wondering why Sound Transit is bothering to build one of those at Mercer Island. The existing configuration is already very easy and quick for the buses to navigate.

Whatever. *shrugs*
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Old September 7th, 2007, 09:19 AM   #1048
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And I think supporters of lightrail to Issaquah would argue that a rail line would attract *more* transit riders than conventional buses.
I doubt it would. As I've said, the buses going to downtown Seattle from Issaquah are already so quick and easy there's little disincentive for people to take them. Shaving a few minutes off the trip isn't going to make much difference.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 01:32 AM   #1049
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I doubt it would. As I've said, the buses going to downtown Seattle from Issaquah are already so quick and easy there's little disincentive for people to take them. Shaving a few minutes off the trip isn't going to make much difference.
How frequent do the buses run? I guess trains have a much easier time keeping up with schedule though. And also one driver per train can carry many more people per run. But now that I think about it, not all Issaquah Highlanders need to travel to Downtown. If it's safe to assume Issaquah with 10,000 commuters, and a LR that carries 800 people in a 4 or even 3 car config, I don't think ridership will be that high...

And for the express lanes at Mercer Island, I guess WSDOT is assuming that the chance of the November vote passing is pretty great...because light rail is going to be extended via express lanes. We have 8 lanes on all directions+HOV now, if LR comes, we'll still have 8 lanes.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 01:38 AM   #1050
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I don't know how fequent the bus comes between Seattle-Issaquah but I know that Seattle-Lynnwood Community transit buses comes every 5 to 7 minutes during peak hours.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 01:54 AM   #1051
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Also a little eye candy for your enjoyment

Shinkansen in Japan (The one on the right is a double decker.)







Inside



Streetcar in Hiroshima (Note the Seattle Street car similarities)



Streetcar in Hiroshima again



Train Station Sign



Central Line in Tokyo: Notice Ridership (sorry for blurriness, I was in a hurry)



Central Line again



Now note this, displays in the train:











Central Line Sign (note number of heads on the bottom of the picture.)



Train Station Sign (note the number of platforms. The number is as high as 23 once you walk down the corridor)



Train Station



Platform (Not rush hour)



Enjoy. I will post more on the Bellevue threads that is relevant there.

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Old September 8th, 2007, 01:58 AM   #1052
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OH yes can't forget my little friend on the 9 hour Shinkansen trip spanning the length of Japan.

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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:04 AM   #1053
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:17 AM   #1054
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How frequent do the buses run?
The 554 (the express bus to downtown Seattle) runs every 1/2 hour, from early in the morning to late at night.

If they extended a light rail link to Issaquah, you can be sure it would be no more or less frequent.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 02:21 AM   #1055
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The 554 (the express bus to downtown Seattle) runs every 1/2 hour, from early in the morning to late at night.

If they extended a light rail link to Issaquah, you can be sure it would be no more or less frequent.
Is ridership in Issaquah high for the buses?

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Old September 8th, 2007, 07:10 AM   #1056
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Community Transit double-decker bus

Has anyone else seen this great-looking bus on the streets of Seattle (or on home roads in Snohomish County)? I'd love to take a ride on it, if only I had a reason to go north and stay as Community Transit serves Seattle only at rush hour and only one way. In any event, here's a link. http://www.commtrans.org/?mc=Newsandevents&Subcat=10
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Has anyone else seen this great-looking bus on the streets of Seattle (or on home roads in Snohomish County)? I'd love to take a ride on it, if only I had a reason to go north and stay as Community Transit serves Seattle only at rush hour and only one way. In any event, here's a link. http://www.commtrans.org/?mc=Newsandevents&Subcat=10
Never heard of it. Is it a new company?
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Is ridership in Issaquah high for the buses?
Pretty much so. Especially during rush hours, of course.
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Never heard of it. Is it a new company?
Community Transit has been around for decades.
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Community Transit has been around for decades.
Really? Are they like Sound Transit?
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