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Old September 19th, 2007, 05:25 AM   #1121
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Ahh, ok.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 05:54 AM   #1122
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is the tunnel that dark or is it the camera itself? it looks awfully dark compared to many subway stations in other cities.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 05:55 AM   #1123
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Especially for a new facility...it does look a little dark. Must be the camera...
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Old September 19th, 2007, 06:57 AM   #1124
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When I was in the bus tunnel before the retrofit it wasn't nearly that dark. So I'm sure it was just the camera. However, the actual tunnel sections (not the stations) were about that light level.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 07:07 AM   #1125
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Yeah I was having some problems with my camera's exposure speed (which is silly since it is a digital) also my flash sucks. However the lights inside the light rail cars weren't on for some reason, it really was that dark inside those.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 07:34 AM   #1126
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Especially for a new facility...it does look a little dark. Must be the camera...
Started in 1987, opened in 1990. Hardly a new facility.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:14 AM   #1127
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Yeah I was having some problems with my camera's exposure speed (which is silly since it is a digital) also my flash sucks. However the lights inside the light rail cars weren't on for some reason, it really was that dark inside those.
ahhh, its all good. by the way welcome to ssc forums. I would love to check the light rail train out but I guess its too late, oh well. I will have chance to check out the stations on sept 24th reopening.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 08:41 PM   #1128
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Started in 1987, opened in 1990. Hardly a new facility.
I highly doubt that when they retrofitted the facility they didn't improve the lighting with everything else. "New" in the sense that it has been re-done.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 08:59 PM   #1129
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I highly doubt that when they retrofitted the facility they didn't improve the lighting with everything else. "New" in the sense that it has been re-done.
Yeah all of the lights were much brighter than it was before the tunnel closed. Sound transit also installed longer lasting lights so they can cut down on maintenance time especially when the tunnel will be open 7 days a week, 20 hours a day.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:03 PM   #1130
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Sound transit also installed longer lasting lights so they can cut down on maintenance time especially when the tunnel will be open 7 days a week, 20 hours a day.
A lot of cities are doing that, all those light bulbs add up to a huge cost!
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Old September 19th, 2007, 11:34 PM   #1131
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A nice summation of the tunnel work can be read from a news release yesterday:

Keeping Downtown Seattle Moving: Partners mark on-time completion of Downtown Seattle Transit Tunnel retrofit
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Old September 20th, 2007, 08:59 AM   #1132
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Nice post! I love the new tunnel. I heard they're concerned about the bus mirrors striking people and the drivers union wants to put up guard rails. I think that would be a great idea. They should have thought of that before. I wonder why it wasn't up there earlier...
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Old September 20th, 2007, 11:50 PM   #1133
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From the Seattle Times (Sept 20, 2007):

Cost of Sound Transit tunnel rises by $100M

Sound Transit is adding $100 million to its cost estimate for a future tunnel from downtown to Capitol Hill and Husky Stadium, for a new figure of $1.6 billion.

The increase is blamed mainly on fast-rising construction expenses. Also, Sound Transit wants to use three tunnel-boring machines instead of two — so it can divide the job into multiple parts, rather than take the risks of relying on a single tunneling contractor. Financing costs bring the total to $1.8 billion by the time the line opens in 2016.

The new figures, if ratified by the agency's governing board, would be used in an application for a $750 million federal grant. Federal Transportation Secretary Mary Peters has praised the three-mile project, which might break ground late next year.
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Old September 21st, 2007, 01:19 AM   #1134
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Yikes! Darn the rising construction costs.
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Old September 21st, 2007, 06:25 AM   #1135
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I thought that adding another machine/contractor would mean that the tunnel would get done quicker...I guess not. If it starts construction next year (2008), and takes 5 years to construct, it'd be 2013...so why does it take 3 more years? Does track laying and everything else take that long?? I also read somewhere that UW will only let ST construct on campus for only 60 or so months, but maybe that's for the cross-campus cut to brooklyn.
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Old September 21st, 2007, 09:31 PM   #1136
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I love this picture, it looked kinda like the light rail is running thru the tunnel with lot of passengers leaving and entering the train. It's just a open house, by the way. When the tunnel opens on Sept 24, 2007. I wonder what the stations will look like when it opens on Sept 24. Will we see lot more people at the stations or the same back in 2005 before it closed?

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Old September 21st, 2007, 09:40 PM   #1137
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I thought that adding another machine/contractor would mean that the tunnel would get done quicker...I guess not. If it starts construction next year (2008), and takes 5 years to construct, it'd be 2013...so why does it take 3 more years? Does track laying and everything else take that long?? I also read somewhere that UW will only let ST construct on campus for only 60 or so months, but maybe that's for the cross-campus cut to brooklyn.
If Sound Transit says "the tunnel will be done more quickly with a third machine" and then it's not, the pitch and volume of the whining about the cost and time taken to build mass transit will be much higher than if they simply get more schedule padding.

Define "it" when you say 5 years to construct. The part to Brooklyn is not funded yet, and is not part of University Link. Where did you get the 5 years number anyway? That doesn't seem to be in the article quoted.

It's also possible that construction time is just dependent upon tax collection, so some of the later stages of construction will just have to wait for the money to be collected.
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 01:46 AM   #1138
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Does anyone know if the tunnels within the tunnels have been modified for Light Rail or are they good to go with the original ones?
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 02:32 AM   #1139
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The bus tunnel is the same as the orginal. The light rail trains fit thru the tunnel, but with a little tight squeeze.
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 05:14 AM   #1140
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In the Seattle Times today, there was an article where the Sierra Club slammed Soundtransit for the light rail extension from Seatac to Tacoma, mainly because of guessed-low ridership, and the longer travel times due to the MLK surface route. Assuming that a complete light rail system is completed, why don't we institute express trains and local trains? Basically the idea is express trains will bypass some stations (preferably low-ridership stations) to improve travel times, and local trains will stop at all stations. Many rail lines in Taiwan adopt this idea to improve rail traffic.
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