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Old September 25th, 2005, 04:12 PM   #101
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Could someone please enlighten me? How often does Seattle get to vote on projects on average? Are they only for the mega projects or do they come as small as a traffic light? Spare me the small details.
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The answer seems to be that Seattle votes on projects when there is no network of political insiders to get a deal completed without going to the public for a vote. Some examples of projects that did not involve public votes include the following:

New City Hall: $72 million
New Central Library: $165 million
New Aquarium: $180 million ($21 million from the city)
South Lake Union Streetcar: $45 million

The Central Link light rail system had one vote in 1996 as part of a larger transportation package. Sound Transit is now an integral part of the insider political network and has been able accommodate cost, scope, and schedule changes without going to the voters for approval.
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Old October 29th, 2005, 06:14 PM   #102
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The monorail appears headed for defeat in the election that is about ten days from now. Supporters have been printing flyers and doing their best to gain public support for the new monorail plan:



The Seattle Monorail Project has answered the mayor's demand to shorten the line and devise a finance plan that will accommodate a motor vehicle tax growth rate of 5.1% or less and a maximum bond period of less than 40 years:





The mayor still opposes the plan. The reduced route length is unpopular. Current polls show the voters rejecting the ballot measure for the shortened line by a large margin.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 01:36 PM   #103
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The ballot measure to allow the Seattle Monorail Project to shorten the Green Line from 14 miles to 10.6 miles has been defeated by a vote of 36% in favor and 64% against. This terminates the project. The land that has been acquired for stations will be sold and the taxes that were to fund the monorail will end once the monorail agency's debts are paid.





The city will initiate a study to review options for providing transit to West Seattle and Ballard. The study is expected to take about a year to complete.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 09:52 PM   #104
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Can the Monorail.
For the money it is costing you could practically build a subway.
This is an outrageous price and for that matter so is your LRT.
I strongly support transit and it is disgraceful that a large city that prides itself on being progressive doesn't have rapid transit. That said, you don't build at any price.
It has to be cost effective and get good ridership levels neither of which will happen in Seattle.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 10:17 PM   #105
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Well Seattle continues with its legacy as a transit free zone. My travel advice for visitors to Seattle, bring a car.
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Old November 10th, 2005, 12:16 AM   #106
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Still say it's time for a new referendum-

No money can be spent on any major highway rebuilding or construction until a grade separated mass transit system linking Bellvue, West Seattle, and Downtown.
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Old November 10th, 2005, 12:33 AM   #107
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Can the Monorail.
For the money it is costing you could practically build a subway.
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The future Westlake Mall to University of Washington subway section of the Central Link light rail project is expected to cost $1.7 billion for a 3.1 mile route that only adds two stations. This works out to be $548 million per mile, which is three to four times as expensive as the monorail depending on whose numbers you use. The most recent cost numbers are as follows:

Sound Transit Central Link Initial Segment
$2.4 billion / 14 miles = $171 million per mile
Central Link Airport Segment (Including cost of necessary changes to adjacent roads)
$300 million / 1.7 miles = $176 million per mile
North Link to the University of Washington
$1.7 billion / 3.1 miles = $548 million per mile
Total for Central Link from University to Airport
$4.4 billion / 18.8 miles = $234 million per mile

Green Line Monorail - Seattle Times stated cost based on total agency spending
$1.84 billion / 10.6 miles = $174 million per mile
Green Line Monorail – SMP stated cost including operating subsidies until 2020
$1.7 billion / 10.6 miles = $160 million per mile
Green Line Monorail – Cost of DBOM construction contract
$1.4 billion / 10.6 miles = $132 million per mile

The monorail line would have been less expensive than the light rail line.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 07:50 AM   #108
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Seattle monorail

i was reading on the newspaper earlier today, and notice Seattle Centre monorail had collission.

Two monorail head-on each other........

How does it possible?????? are they suppose be on two different elavated guideway?
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:15 AM   #109
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...norail28m.html

done and done!
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Old November 29th, 2005, 10:17 AM   #110
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Yeah I read that too. It was on the second page of the Vancouver Sun. Maybe it was better they didnt expand that thing. Also didnt it catch on fire once? It wasn't working when I was there last November.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 11:53 AM   #111
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That's just hilariously incompetent... squeezing tracks together without some sort of automatic safety system in place? Thank goodness nobody was seriously injured.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 10:46 PM   #112
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What crap. Who designed it like that?

No emergency escape guidways. Im never going on that thing, it should be illigal.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 12:17 AM   #113
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Given the fact that there are lights, it is a known bad spot, and there are only 2 trains on such a short track, it had to be a pretty dumb thing to drive on that section of track wit the other monorail there.

Do youthink this could have been done on purpose?
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Old November 30th, 2005, 12:49 AM   #114
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This accident waiting to happen was not part of the original World's Fair Monorail design. When it debuted for the 1962 World's Fair, the Westlake Center end of the line was similar to the Seattle Center end in that it had a station that straddled both guideway beams. Both trains could use the stations simultaneously. In 1988, the Westlake Center end of the line was rebuilt to accommodate the development of a shopping mall. The choices were to build a switch so that only one guideway beam entered the Westlake Center Station or to squeeze the two giudeway beams together so that trains on either beam could be accessed from a single platform via retractable ramps. The retractable ramp option must have been cheaper because that is what was built.

The now defunct Green Line monorail project would have replaced the World's Fair line. The existing guideway would have been torn down and an entirely new guideway would have been built. The transit way agreement with the city required that the new guideway be higher than the existing guideway and be biased to one side of the street rather than along the center of the street. The Westlake Center Station would have been relocated. The new system would have eliminated the pinched guideway arrangement and would have incorporated an emergency walkway along the entire length of the line.

Known deficiencies of the World's Fair guideway include 1) the pinched guideway arrangement, 2) the lack of an emergency walkway, and 3) not being designed to current earthquake standards. The city will have to think seriously about either replacing the line or tearing it down.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 02:53 AM   #115
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That must be a joke...
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Old November 30th, 2005, 02:56 AM   #116
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Its a good thing the cars didnt tip over. From looking at the picture, that thought doesn't seem to crazy.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 02:06 PM   #117
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After riding on the super smooth (mostly) skytrain my monorail experience was interesting. Very turbulent.

Poor Seattle...lose the waterfront streetcar, lose the monorail (not that it was a good project anyways) and now this.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 07:39 PM   #118
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What I find funny is its only one mile long.....
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Old November 30th, 2005, 10:55 PM   #119
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^ I know its pointless. It costs $3.50US, and goes from downtown Seattle to the space needle. Its more of a ride then a transportation system.
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Old December 1st, 2005, 05:35 AM   #120
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^ I know its pointless. It costs $3.50US, and goes from downtown Seattle to the space needle. Its more of a ride then a transportation system.
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