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Old December 1st, 2005, 07:09 AM   #121
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Was it ever really intended to be a full scale transportation system? It's purpose was really just to be an exhibit for the 1962 World's Fair. Its really just a "futuristic" 1960s dream. A monorail was also built in NYC for the 1964 World's Fair, although it only went around the fairhrounds, and is long gone now. The monorail is really only a tourist attraction, and should have been torn down years ago.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:24 AM   #122
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Monorail accident caused by human error
30 November 2005

SEATTLE (AP) - Human error caused the Seattle monorail accident. The inbound driver failed to yield to the other train at the point where the track are too close together for passing, officials said Wednesday.

"The incident is a sad situation for all concerned and we are very relieved that no one was seriously injured," said Stuart Rolfe, a Seattle Monorail Services partner, in a statement. "The inbound driver was an experienced individual who made some very unfortunate and costly errors."

Seattle Police reported Wednesday that drug tests on both drivers by an independent lab showed "illegal substances were not a factor in the accident."

The monorail's only two cars sideswiped each other on a curve near the downtown station Saturday evening, and both ground to a halt. Fire crews helped the 84 passengers down from the 28-foot-high tracks. There were no serious injuries.

City officials have been working with towtruck and crane companies to separate the trains and bring them back to the maintenance facility near the Space Needle in the Seattle Center. The trains were separated Monday night. By Wednesday morning, they were about three-fourths of the way to the shop. Officials said the project would take at least one more night.

This is the first time both trains have been out of commission since the monorail was built for the 1962 World's Fair.

A signal system has prevented similar accidents at the curve, where the tracks are too close together for the two trains to pass freely. The southbound train is supposed to stop and wait for the northbound train to pull out of downtown Westlake station before passing the curve.

Investigators found the accident was not caused by failure of the signal system or the trains themselves. The internal review exonerated the northbound driver.

Monorail officials have said they would not be able to estimate how long it will take to get the monorail running again until the trains are returned to the service facility.

The line was shut down for more than six months last year, after a smoky fire stranded about 100 riders. No one was seriously hurt.

Popular with tourists, the Monorail carries as many as 23,000 riders a day. A 13-year campaign to expand the system met with sound rejection by voters this month -- the first no vote on the issue in five elections over eight years.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 08:23 AM   #123
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I didn't take the monorail when I was there, I took bus most time or my friend gave me a ride. God, Puget Sound is so beautiful.
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Old December 5th, 2005, 06:45 AM   #124
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I don't understand what the point of signals are if people can just ignore them and go right through them. It can't be that difficult or expensive to put in an ATC or ATS system, can it?

Like the time when a freight train went for hundreds of miles without a driver a few years back...
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Old December 5th, 2005, 09:47 AM   #125
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I took that during the time of 12o'clock on 5th Ave.
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Old January 7th, 2006, 02:36 AM   #126
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Seattle Link LRT Construction Photos

Click on the Peter deLory Photos box in the lower right corner of the screen for lots of B&W 2005 construction pics - organized by month - 10 pics per month.

http://www.soundtransit.org/projects...nk/default.asp



Plus Tukwila segment color photos here - one tall station there (Tukwila Int'l Blvd)!!

http://www.soundtransit.org/projects...nk_tukwila.asp

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Old January 7th, 2006, 11:36 AM   #127
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Nice looks impresive
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Old January 8th, 2006, 06:56 AM   #128
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Sound Transit has long range plans for other projects.



Their website shows North Corridor incuding starter light rail in Lynnwood and Everett, East Corridor with light rail to Bellevue and Redmond, and the South Corridor with LRT extended between Tacoma and SeaTac Airport.
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Old June 3rd, 2006, 10:56 AM   #129
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at one point was there not plans to expand the monorail into a full blown system? but they decided to go with the LRT thats is going in now?

I remember seeing something when visiting seattle and they showed maps that showed it going to the new stadiums and up more to the north of downtown
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Old June 3rd, 2006, 06:11 PM   #130
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at one point was there not plans to expand the monorail into a full blown system? but they decided to go with the LRT thats is going in now?

I remember seeing something when visiting seattle and they showed maps that showed it going to the new stadiums and up more to the north of downtown
the $2 billion monorail project ballooned to $12 billion, due to loan interest. nuff said.
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Old June 4th, 2006, 05:49 AM   #131
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They were never mutually exclusive. The LRT line is going a different place than the monorail would have. The Seattle Center line would not have been extended, but rather replaced. Alas, while the actual construction costs would have been lower than the equivalent length LRT line, all the problems with limits on paying and financing it made the costs astronomical. It goes to show you that the real influencing factor over rapid transit is politicians, not technology.
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Old June 4th, 2006, 08:25 AM   #132
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ah this is the map i had seen before

the green is the monorail and the red is the LRT



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Old June 4th, 2006, 08:59 AM   #133
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looking at all these posts, it seems seattle is cursed with their transportation. hopefully the LRT works out better than the monorail and the afore-mentioned streetcar.
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Old June 4th, 2006, 10:49 AM   #134
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seattlle traffic is a nightmare

we drove from marysville through seattle tacome - trying to get to portland - and it took us over 2 1/2 hours from marysville to get past tacoma in afternoon rush hour

on the way back it took us like 3 hours from Portland to Marysville :O
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Old June 11th, 2006, 03:50 AM   #135
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Seattle's monorail is like an amusement park ride.
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Old June 11th, 2006, 04:31 PM   #136
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Quote:
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Seattle's monorail is like an amusement park ride.
As with all monorails, the Seattle monorail shares a few characteristics with amusement park rides in that it is fun to ride and provides a great view of the surrounding area. The line is short, 1 mile (1.5 km), and it does connect a downtown mall with an entertainment area, Seattle Center.

The 4-car trains are 122' (37.2 m) in length and 10'-3" (3.1 m) in width. The claimed maximum speed is 70 mph (112 km/h) and the operating speed is 50 mph (80 km/h). Unlike smaller monorail trains, the interior is not segmented. The entire length of the train is usable passenger space. The trains have seats for 124. By comparison, a typical 70% low floor articulated light rail vehicle has a length of 90 ft (27.4 m), a width of 8'-9" (2.7 m), a maximum speed of 55 mph (90 km/h), and seating for about 70.




The trains built by MTrans for Kuala Lumpur are closely based on the Seattle trains. The Kuala Lumpur trains presently feature just two cars; however, there are plans to add a third car and the stations are sized to handle even longer trains. The Kuala Lumpur system has a length of 8.6 km and features 11 stations.



A unique feature of the design is that the cars feature banks of seats on the centerline that serve as wheel wells for the bogies. The trains used on the Tokyo-Haneda Airport line also share this configuration.

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Old October 21st, 2006, 12:03 AM   #137
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Seattle Mass Trans Update Needed

Somebody fill me on the mass trans in Seattle
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Old October 21st, 2006, 01:33 AM   #138
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The only mass transit services presently available within the city limits of Seattle are buses (diesel, hybrid, and electric trolley buses). There is the Sounder commuter train service that connects Seattle to communities to the north and south and there is a streetcar line in Tacoma. Regarding other services within the city of Seattle, I can offer the following:

1. The Seattle waterfront streetcar service has been replaced with a bus. The streetcar was shutdown so that the maintenance barn could be bulldozed to make way for a sculpture garden. A location for a new barn has been proposed in Pioneer Square. There is not yet a plan to implement this:

http://transit.metrokc.gov/tops/wfsc...streetcar.html

2. Seattle is building the Central Link light rail system. The line from downtown to the Airport should open in 2009. An extension to the University of Washington is funded and is presently in the design stage:

http://www.soundtransit.org/x1171.xml

3. Future extensions of Central Link are being planned that could extend the system all the way from Everett to Tacoma and across Lake Washington to Redmond. A ballot measure to fund the trans-Lake Washington line may appear on the ballot next year; however, the state legislature has mandated that it be linked to a plan to fund a regional highway construction plan:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...stlink13e.html

4. Seattle is building a streetcar to connect the downtown area to the southern shore of Lake Union. The southern terminus of the streetcar line will be about a block north of the underground Central Link light rail station at Westlake Center:

http://www.seattle.gov/transportation/stcar_slu.htm

5. The future extension of the Central Link light rail line to the University of Washington will bypass an important service area at First Hill due to tunneling complications. As a consequence, First Hill is often cited as a possible destination for an expanded waterfront streetcar line. There is not yet any plan in place to accomplish this:

http://www.seattle.gov/transportatio...r_broadway.htm

6. This fall, there will be a ballot measure to fund a plan for expanded bus service for King County. Parts of the plan are advertised as BRT; however, the buses would not have dedicated traffic lanes in way of critical choke points:

http://www.metrokc.gov/kcdot/transitnow/

7. There was a plan to build a 14-mile monorail transit line through the city; however, it was sent back to the voters and defeated due to a funding shortfall. Some former monorail supporters championed the creation of a city-wide streetcar system. The streetcar proposal included the possible replacement of the World's Fair/Seattle Center monorail along 5th Avenue with a streetcar. The proposal does not appear to have gained adequate support either among the general public or among city officials.

8. The World's Fair/Seattle Center monorail remains shutdown due to reliability problems. Money has been budgeted to renovate the system:

http://www.seattlemonorail.com/
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Old October 21st, 2006, 01:52 AM   #139
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How come there aren't ever any new updates regarding Seattle's light rail construction. I guess there aren't many Seattle forumers...
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Old October 21st, 2006, 11:39 PM   #140
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I guess we're all very busy living here. Hectic fast pace life, ya know?

PWright I believe on SSP posted a lot of pictures just a while ago. The project is nearly halfway done.
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