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Old September 23rd, 2008, 09:57 AM   #1921
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Seattle has always been an unfortunate place for rail in general. Voters here voted down several rail projects from the 1970s which would have given us a heavy rail subway like in New York. WHen we finally do approve something (Sound Transit Light Rail - 1996) (Green Line Monorail Extension), something bad always happens. Monorail was not planned well from the start and costs went up astronomically. It was stopped. SOund Transit also encountered cost overruns so that the initial segment was delayed till 2009 (13 years since it was approved) and scaled back. At least the initial segment is coming online.


Anyways.... comments made online don't generally reflect what most people in general think, just those who really have a strong opinion and what to express them, even if it means arguing endlessly over some guy's political views.
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 10:05 AM   #1922
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Anyways.... comments made online don't generally reflect what most people in general think, just those who really have a strong opinion and what to express them, even if it means arguing endlessly over some guy's political views.
As this poll shows

http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/0...-poll-results/
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 03:55 PM   #1923
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i never thought american city be so underdeveloped in terms of public transpŁortation system!
i ve been in new york and i think its the only city with huge system!people really dont need cars in manhattan!
maybe amereiican car industry is against it!and the oil industry-cause more subways and urban light trains means lesss cars beeing sold and less benzin will be buyed!and these means less profit for american oil companys!
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 04:42 PM   #1924
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i never thought american city be so underdeveloped in terms of public transpŁortation system!
i ve been in new york and i think its the only city with huge system!people really dont need cars in manhattan!
maybe amereiican car industry is against it!and the oil industry-cause more subways and urban light trains means lesss cars beeing sold and less benzin will be buyed!and these means less profit for american oil companys!
I think the biggest difference is what is considered important within a certain society.
For example the US people considers individuality important while Japanese considers group effort a virtue and shuns excessive individuality as a chauvinist.

Cars have always been a lifestyle statement for individual owners and cheerished by Americans. Japanese also consider these virtues but are also wary of other peers limiting their choice.

When people starts thinking of society as whole is when people stops complaining about "What is it in for ME."
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Old September 24th, 2008, 07:53 AM   #1925
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maybe amereiican car industry is against it!and the oil industry-cause more subways and urban light trains means lesss cars beeing sold and less benzin will be buyed!and these means less profit for american oil companys!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_A...eetcar_Scandal
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Old September 24th, 2008, 10:29 AM   #1926
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Old September 26th, 2008, 01:41 AM   #1927
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What do you guys think will happen in November?
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Old September 26th, 2008, 09:38 AM   #1928
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What do you guys think will happen in November?
while I hope the measure will pass, I think it will fail pretty badly because there is opposition from the liberal left, conservatives and moderates. Where the hell is the Sound Transit support advertisements? They did the same crap the last measure that fail...they waited till the last moment and ran a few ads. There should be radio and tv ads every day reminding people NOW that a NO vote today will mean sitting in a virtual parking lot for 3 hours a day 10 years from now. The Sound Transit folks are true amateurs!
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Old September 26th, 2008, 10:15 AM   #1929
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while I hope the measure will pass, I think it will fail pretty badly because there is opposition from the liberal left, conservatives and moderates. Where the hell is the Sound Transit support advertisements? They did the same crap the last measure that fail...they waited till the last moment and ran a few ads. There should be radio and tv ads every day reminding people NOW that a NO vote today will mean sitting in a virtual parking lot for 3 hours a day 10 years from now. The Sound Transit folks are true amateurs!
http://seattletransitblog.com/2008/0...-poll-results/
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Old September 26th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #1930
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http://www.komonews.com/news/29304324.html

Read the comments. Sickens me.
It's really just one insanely ignorant poster who repeats the same bogus bullshit over and over again.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 01:28 AM   #1931
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Amen, I sure hope that's the case too.

Btw, does anyone think the light rail cars look like toys? lol
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Old September 30th, 2008, 04:02 AM   #1932
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while I hope the measure will pass, I think it will fail pretty badly because there is opposition from the liberal left, conservatives and moderates. Where the hell is the Sound Transit support advertisements? They did the same crap the last measure that fail...they waited till the last moment and ran a few ads. There should be radio and tv ads every day reminding people NOW that a NO vote today will mean sitting in a virtual parking lot for 3 hours a day 10 years from now. The Sound Transit folks are true amateurs!
Whoa. Sound Transit can't get involved in the campaign - ST is funded by tax money. And nobody has much money for a campaign this year because of the big top-ticket races.

If you want to help, go to http://masstransitnow.org and donate. I gave them a hundred bucks.

And... uh, I'm not seeing much opposition at all. Check out their list of endorsements. All the Democrats, environmental groups, big businesses... the only opposition seems to be from some crackpots who have been opposing this stuff since the 1960s.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 04:05 AM   #1933
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SOund Transit also encountered cost overruns so that the initial segment was delayed till 2009 (13 years since it was approved) and scaled back. At least the initial segment is coming online.
Note that Link, at least the part that's opening, is actually only 3 years late. It was scheduled originally for 2006. Also, they are technically doing what was on the ballot in 1996 - they're going from the U-district to the airport. Northgate was always a 'if we have money' option.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 04:08 AM   #1934
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!!! This is EXACTLY (or close enough) what I was hoping for. The last package took waaay too long for full build out. Thank God Sound Transit finally listened to the people and will offer a quicker package!! Though I still think 2020 is still too long of a wait (2 yrs planning + 5 yrs construction = 2016) - especially if there's very little tunnels to bore out.
Those aren't what takes time, really. The thing that delays all this is that 0.5% isn't actually that much money. Because Sound Transit has to pay for each line with a different subarea's money, and because they have a sound financial plan, they have to save for a long time before they have enough of a cushion to issue bonds. They're paying as much as they can up front, as not to lose money debt service in the long term.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 04:11 AM   #1935
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^ some of those dates look depressing tho - 2023? thats kinda far off

a good beginning
It'll be sped up. Those dates assume tiny federal contributions. Basically, if we get Obama and Biden, the FTA budget will likely increase (as infrastructure development is a great use of public money during a recession) and we'll get it faster.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 01:34 PM   #1936
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Note that Link, at least the part that's opening, is actually only 3 years late. It was scheduled originally for 2006. Also, they are technically doing what was on the ballot in 1996 - they're going from the U-district to the airport. Northgate was always a 'if we have money' option.
The 1996 vote called for a line from the University District to the airport to open by 2006. The line that will be opened in 2009 will be from downtown to the airport. The segment from downtown to the university will be at least ten years late.
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Old October 1st, 2008, 01:23 AM   #1937
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The 1996 vote called for a line from the University District to the airport to open by 2006. The line that will be opened in 2009 will be from downtown to the airport. The segment from downtown to the university will be at least ten years late.
Yep, but the original ten year schedule wouldn't have been possible - not even in a best case scenario - because of the labor and land prices skyrocketing, plus the building boom.

The only way it would have worked on that schedule is if the FTA had given us the U Link grant (and all the others) ten years ago, instead of in 2008.
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Old October 3rd, 2008, 02:06 AM   #1938
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Just be glad that something's actually being done...
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Old October 4th, 2008, 04:52 AM   #1939
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Sound Transit Photo of the Week for October 3 - 9, 2008



Checking out the train
Rainier Valley residents enjoyed the sunshine last Saturday and got a close up look at a Link light rail vehicle at the Othello Station. The vehicle was part of the MLK Safety Street Fair that included food, prizes and light rail safety messages. Link trains will begin carrying passengers next July.
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Old October 4th, 2008, 06:31 AM   #1940
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Othello station? That's a weird name for a LR station.....

Hopefully whoever named it has never read the book.
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