ARGENTINA - Stadium and Arena Development News

[pirufioxxx]

is all about passion, and europe dont know that

[GunnerJacket]

Originally Posted by pirufioxxx

is all about passion, and europe dont know that

Let's not make this an intercontinental pissing match, folks. Europeans have as much passion but are trying (in some ways too hard or incorrectly) to modernize their venues for safety and money. Suggesting they lack passion, or that their South American peers wouldn't love to have comparable venues, is decidedly narrow minded. There are cultural differences at play, but neither is wholly superior to the other.

Thanks for the photos, folks. Keep them coming.

[SSE]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

Apparently, Argentina (and possibly the whole of South America as well) doesn't know what a good-quality stadium is. A good-quality stadium has individual seating all around the bowl no standing areas and no bare concrete steps), and sometimes the seats are covered with a roof. I say that all stadiums in Argentina need to be brought up to code in the future, especially all six of the stadiums that were used for the 1978 World Cup.

Completely disagree. Part of a stadium's function is to be intimidating for the opposition. A packed standing area will always be louder than an all-seater area. It's why German stadiums have been re-introducing safe standing terraces. I've been to big derby games in England and Germany, and the atmosphere in Germany is far better. I (and a large percentage of football fans in England) would love to see terraces re-introduced in a controlled manner. In a perfect world, stadiums would offer something for everyone. Whether people want to stand or sit.

As I've said before, a lot of new stadiums feel horribly sterile and it's hard to get the crowd going. For example, the atmosphere at Southampton's old ground The Dell was brilliant, but in their new stadium St. Mary's it's cold and dull. It may be bigger, but it's got no character. It's hard to be an intimidating stadium, when it looks like 10 other stadiums in the same league.




If I want to watch football in a spotlessly clean environment, with plenty of space and leg-room, easy access and lot's of cheap refreshments, I can do that at home on TV. If I go to the game I am there for more than just the game on the pitch.

I stand by the comment I made in another thread, give me La Bombonera over The Emirates any time.

[Jim856796]

But UEFA has made all-seaters the standard, the law, the future, the economical solution and the preferred method of any sports venue (outside of Germany) following the ratification of the Taylor Report in the early 90s.

Argentine stadiums, however, have concrete steps way too narrow to fit individual seating into. It's only HALF as narrow as the concrete steps in normal all-seater stadiums.

[skaP187]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

But UEFA has made all-seaters the standard, the law, the future, the economical solution and the preferred method of any sports venue (outside of Germany) following the ratification of the Taylor Report in the early 90s.

Argentine stadiums, however, have concrete steps way too narrow to fit individual seating into. It's only HALF as narrow as the concrete steps in normal all-seater stadiums.

In the Netherlands they are re introducing terraces also, on a small scale, but still.
I agree with SSE. There should be some for everyone. Personaly I just can´t sit and watch a game. I have to stand, even in a sitting area. There are many with me as in Holland it is quite normall to have a standing area behind the goal even when there are seats placed.

[juancarp]

Algunos estadios Argentinos

[juancarp]

Stadium of "Independiente de Avellaneda"

[Alemanniafan]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

But UEFA has made all-seaters the standard, the law, the future, the economical solution and the preferred method of any sports venue (outside of Germany) following the ratification of the Taylor Report in the early 90s.

Argentine stadiums, however, have concrete steps way too narrow to fit individual seating into. It's only HALF as narrow as the concrete steps in normal all-seater stadiums.

German stadia with terracing also have these smaller concrete steps in the terracing areas than in the seating areas, half as wide (~40cm) as in seating areas (~80cm). But that is no problem for a conversion into an all seater. They place the seats onto each second step, one step as legroom and one underneath the seat. So unless these concrete steps you're talking about in the terracing areas of Argentinian stadia are even smallen than 40 cm it is no problem at all for a permanent or temporary conversion into an Allseater.

But like some otheres here I prefer watching a game standing and I believe terracing greatly improves the stadiums atmosphere, the more terracing the better usually, even though there of course probably are some exceptions to that rule.

[gnzlnho]

Campo Argentino de Polo

With a capacity of 15.000 people, in the middle of the concrete jungle, at just 10 minutes downtown, we can find the stadium with more capacity for Polo. It hosts the Campeonato Argentino de Polo every year since 1928, the worlds highest handicup tournament, which attracts celebrities and royalty from all around the planet.

It is sometimes also used for playing pato, hockey and some live concerts.
It was first built in 1928 and hosted the World Hockey Championship in 1978 and some venues for the 1950 Olympic Games.

[gnzlnho]

[gnzlnho]

EXCUSE ME! Why was ''Campo Argentino de Polo'' moved to ''Stadium and Arena Development News'' If it is already built!!!

[lpioe]

rule in this forum is only stadium with capacity over 30k can have an own thread.

[Euskal]

In South America, even when the stadium has individual seating (we do have all-seaters here), the people prefers to stand up. Sorry, but its cultural, and trust me, we prefer this way...

[CorliCorso]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

Argentine stadiums, however, have concrete steps way too narrow to fit individual seating into. It's only HALF as narrow as the concrete steps in normal all-seater stadiums.

Regarding this point, I've been in a number of away-ends at football grounds where they've simply bolted seats onto former terraces. It's very cramped, but it works (although many people stand up anyway, stewards notwithstanding)

[likasz]

Really cool stadiums but what about indoor arenas in Argentina?Do you have any big arenas?

[Jim856796]

I'm afraid we (Argentina) don't have any large indoor arenas. The largest indoor arena we have is Luna Park in Buenos Aires. However, there are plans to cover the Mary Teran de Weiss tennis stadium with a retractable roof.

[likasz]

You had Davis Cup 2008 final in Mar de Plata at Polideportivo Islas Malvinas which has capacity of 7500 but minimum for final is (as I know) 12.000.

Strange that the ITF made such a big exception.

[Martin Ferraro]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

I'm afraid we (Argentina) don't have any large indoor arenas. The largest indoor arena we have is Luna Park in Buenos Aires. However, there are plans to cover the Mary Teran de Weiss tennis stadium with a retractable roof.

¿???

Orfeo Superdomo (Córdoba)
Normalmente: 10 mil personas.
Para la Davis (finalmente se jugó en Mar del Plata): 12 mil personas.




Por otro lado al estadio de Mar del Plata se lo amplió hasta llegar a los 11500 espectadores cuando la ITF exige 12 mil.... no es una gran excepción.

[likasz]

LOL

I forgot about the Final Six of the FIVB World League 2010 at this arena.

Very nice venue

[Leandro_lenz]

Some pics of River Plate Stadium, enjoy it!