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Old November 21st, 2014, 04:33 PM   #1981
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Deal reached on Welsh electrification
Friday, November 21, 2014



AFTER months of political deadlock, the British government and the Welsh assembly have reached an agreement on funding for the electrification of the South Wales Main Line between Cardiff and Swansea and the Valley Lines suburban network around Cardiff

In March a row erupted between the British and Welsh governments over who should fund the two projects. The Welsh government claimed the British government had agreed to fund both schemes, but the British government insisted that the cost of the Valley Lines electrification should be covered by the Welsh.

However under the deal which will be announced by British prime minister Mr David Cameron in Newport today, the British government will take over sponsorship and fund electrification of the Cardiff – Bridgend section of the Cardiff – Swansea line at a cost of £105m and contribute £125m towards the Valley Lines electrification. In return, the Welsh government will sponsor and deliver the Valley Lines project, and will be responsible for financing the remaining £170m

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Old November 21st, 2014, 07:22 PM   #1982
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Those look rather cramped...
That's the only real problem I have with the British network - loading gauge. It really restricts the rolling stock width.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 01:43 PM   #1983
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In reality that difference is limited to about 10cm to 12cm in the majority of cases (UK mark3/4 carriages: 2,73m, continental UIC-X carriages 2,825 and for reference long distance bus: 2,55m). The real problem is 5 abreast seating.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #1984
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The real problem is 5 abreast seating.

Yes, I'm glad someone made this point. There ought to be a law stating that passenger trains in Britain are only ever four abreast at most.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 02:56 PM   #1985
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How many UK trains are five abreast? All trains I have been on are four max in the UK.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 03:24 PM   #1986
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Mostly suburban services. Often see 5 abreast seating on Glasgow low level services
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Old November 24th, 2014, 03:29 PM   #1987
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How many UK trains are five abreast? All trains I have been on are four max in the UK.
If by five abreast mean train with five seats then:

BR Class 377
BR Class 455
BR Class 313
BR Class 442 (i think)
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Old November 24th, 2014, 05:09 PM   #1988
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If by five abreast mean train with five seats then:

BR Class 377
BR Class 455
BR Class 313
BR Class 442 (i think)
The 442 is effectively a long distance design with 2+2 seating.

As for 2+3, this is beginning to dissapear - new trains and major refurbishments are going back to 2+2 as three abreast is unpopular with passengers while the extra aisle width provides more room for standing.

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Old November 24th, 2014, 05:30 PM   #1989
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How many UK trains are five abreast? All trains I have been on are four max in the UK.
Depending on the refurbishment that they've undergone, most 142s (the ones with the bus benches) are 3+2, the FNW, ATW refurbished and ex-BR 150s are 3+2, the 165s and 166s are 3+2 I think, the 319s (except 319/2s) are 3+2, 315s are 3+2, Great Northern 313s are, think the 314s are, most 321s are, 350/2s are, southern 455s, 450s are, 456s were (the refurbished ones aren't), and then the networkers (365, 465, 466) are all 3+2 I think.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 04:26 PM   #1990
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Blueprint for Britain’s Wessex network unveiled
Tuesday, November 25, 2014



BRITAIN's infrastructure manager Network Rail (NR) has issued the Wessex Route Plan, a blueprint for the future of passenger and freight services from London Waterloo to the south and the west of England over the next 30 years

The draft consultation plan sets out how the network could cope with an anticipated 40% growth in use of South West Main Line services from London Waterloo to Reading, Southampton, Weymouth, Portsmouth and Exeter as well as suburban services in southwest London, Berkshire and Surrey by 2043. Freight traffic is also set to grow on the primary route on the network from the Port of Southampton to the midlands and the north.

The study identifies needs to increase capacity by 60% to meet expected demand on high-peak services into London Waterloo, which is equivalent to 37 trains per hour.

Among the suggested projects is the addition of a fifth track between Clapham Junction and Surbiton, the introduction of ETCS and automatic train operation (ATO) on the main lines, new flyovers at Woking and Basingstoke, and electrification of the line from Basingstoke via Salisbury to Southampton. The plan also considers Crossrail 2 from as critical to delivering the required capacity. Grade separation in Basingstoke and the introduction of a four-track section between Wallers Ash and Micheldever could also provide an hourly freight service from Southampton to the Midlands

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Old November 25th, 2014, 06:01 PM   #1991
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Plans for £150m Guildford station regen scheme
Tue 25th November 2014, 7:05



A joint venture between Kier Property and Network Rail is submitting plans this week to bring forward a £150m regeneration of Guildford station

It is the seventh project to be promoted by Solum Regeneration, a £500m joint venture established in 2008 between Network Rail and Kier Property to bring private investment into the rail network.

Solum generates funds from the development of under-used railway land and has completed projects at Christchurch, Epsom and Walthamstow.

Work is due to start shortly at Redhill and Haywards Heath and at Twickenham after the 2015 Rugby World Cup

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Looks pretty good if you ask me. Guildford is very wealthy and a nice little town. Great commuter link to London.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 06:35 AM   #1993
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Looks like a good TOD scheme. Replacing acres of parking lot blight. Here is more info:
http://guildfordforward.com/proposal.html
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This isn't the only redevelopment of stations that has caught my eye in the UK, though. Recently my home town has been building a new station - a massive improvement over the old one. It replaced a lot of parking blight with a larger, more open station and a station with street activation too. Take a look at the map here:

https://www.google.se/maps/@52.23674...SreQ!2e0?hl=en

The old station:



Here is how the area looked in 2009 at the road near the station:





And now in 2014 showing the new station that is actually on the road now.



And also the bus drop-off right outside the station:



Here is the project website:

http://www.northamptonstation.co.uk/

And associated video of the station redevelopment:

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£3·3bn premium wins East Coast franchise for Stagecoach and Virgin
27 Nov 2014



UK: The Inter-City Railways consortium of Stagecoach Group (90%) and Virgin Holdings (10%) has been selected to operate inter-city services on the East Coast Main Line, the Department for Transport announced on November 27. The contract is to be signed following the usual 10-day standstill period. Under the eight-year franchise starting on March 1 2015, the operator has committed to paying premia valued at £3·3bn.

The ICR proposal was selected ahead of bids from FirstGroup and a consortium of Eurostar and Keolis, which are both majority-owned by French state railway SNCF. Because the services have been run by the state-owned Directly Operated Railways since the previous franchise was terminated five years ago, the business is being returned to the private sector through a trade sale of DOR subsidiary East Coast Trains, rather than a transfer of the franchise.

‘This is a fantastic deal for passengers and for staff on this vital route’, said Secretary of State for Transport Patrick McLoughlin. ‘It gives passengers more seats, more services and new trains. I believe Stagecoach and Virgin will not only deliver for customers but also for the British taxpayer.’

Virgin and Stagecoach currently operate the InterCity West Coast franchise through a 51%:49% partnership, while Stagecoach also holds the East Midlands Trains franchise, giving it a stake in all three main lines to the North of England and both routes to Scotland

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From Rail Journal. This week Britain is on headlines - once again, another electrification is approved:

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Windermere electrification funding approved
Friday, November 28, 2014



BRITISH transport minister Baroness Kramer announced on November 28 that the Department for Transport has allocated £16m to fund the electrification of the 16km Oxenholme – Windermere line in northwest England

The line is currently served by First TransPennine Express services to Manchester Airport and all other non-electrified sections of this route have already been committed for electrification, prompting concerns that the branch may lose its direct services to Manchester, which are considered vital in an area heavily dependent on tourism.

Infrastructure manager Network Rail will now begin detailed planning for the project, which is due to be completed by 2017
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From Rail Journal. This week Britain is on headlines - once again, another electrification is approved:
This is great news, Windermere is the gateway to the Lake District one of the most beautiful areas in Great Britain.
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Old December 1st, 2014, 07:18 PM   #1998
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Many, many reasons. Low, historic bridgs which would need rebuilding; the fact that we use high platforms which aren't ideal for DD trains by the looks of things; Overhead Line Equipment would need altering which costs ££££; southern region power supply would need massively upgrading.
Well, the high platforms are ideal for DD trains, just look at all Sydney fleet, there are also some examples in Continental Europe eg. France, Germany (especially ex DDR DD train sets exported to other east block countries). Thanks to high platforms entrance can be placed above bogies (where 2 floors can't fit) allowing to utilise fully space between bogies (where 2 floors can be placed) giving very good capacity increase. So regarding UK loading gauge problem with DD cars lays in platform cant being to close to tracks and restricted height. Of course there still can be build something like in Japan:
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but those trains are still a bit wider and higher so British DD trains should have to be lower by 30 cm (1 ft) and low deck will be only 2 m (6,56 ft) wide enabling only 1+1 seating which adding additional costs basically makes DD trains in C1 loading gauge without any common sense.
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I don't think the double deck idea will go anywhere. Grade separation in Basingstoke and Woking? Yes, flyovers/unders in both locations are long overdue anyway.

But not double deck trains....
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I am not saying that it's desirable but only that this is doable. But not to waste time look at pdf "Space trains –a double deck vision" (which can be found for example here) on page 16 where possible layout within UK loading gauge is presented. But it is clear that this layout is optimistic as from practical reasons only 2+2 on upper and 1+2 on lower level is possible while interior height is also a bit optimistic.
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