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Old June 2nd, 2015, 03:25 PM   #2181
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2+3 seating plans ought to be outlawed.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 03:43 PM   #2182
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Why? There obviously is no place for a 3+3, and this arragement gives 20% more seats than a 2+2
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 05:27 PM   #2183
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With two seats side-by-side there is acceptable space for two average sized bodies to tolerate an average commuting journey or regional journey.

But with three-seats arranged as above, there is not enough room for three average sized bodies to feel comfortable, as I'm sure that most readers of this post will concur. (Concur, damn it).

The middle person will almost certainly feel a sense of imprisonment. The person by the window will feel hemmed in and the person by the aisle will probably feel the urge to spread their bottom and legs into the aisle itself, causing an already narrow aisle to become even more narrow.

3+2 seating plans are an accountant's wet dream, nothing more.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 06:58 PM   #2184
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Depends on the loading gauge, of course. Russian trains can accomodate
3+2 seating without any unconfortable feeling, but there, on their suburban
stock, they even often go for 3+3...

In Belgium, there is still a lot of 3+2 seating, but the loading gauge is quite
generous and the cars are made shorter, which allows to make them a bit
wider too. I still would not call that comfortable, though, but it's better than
standing.

Also, what is definitely wrong is 3+2 seating with individual seats like it is
done on the picture. This way, it is always uncomfortable, even when the
car is lightly loaded, because seats are too narrow, even if you have no
neighbour. Here for the 3+2 seating there are no individual seats, but
just bunks, so that when the load is light, people use that in 2+1 fashion,
and at least you can sit comfortably.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 08:05 PM   #2185
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Good point, the loading gauge is the key thing to consider. And as we all know, you don't get a much more restrictive loading gauge with standard gauge tracks than the British loading gauge.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 10:05 PM   #2186
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well 2 +3 on the Southern electrostars leaves you virtually no room to get down the gangway if you have luggage on you and I do Portsmoth and Southsea to Gatwick or Horley at least monthly so know this from personnel experience and I only carry a large holdall. and Tote Bag.
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Old June 3rd, 2015, 06:25 PM   #2187
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Londonderry line upgrading contracts awarded
Wednesday, June 03, 2015



NORTHERN Ireland transport minister Mr Danny Kennedy announced on June 2 that two infrastructure contracts have been awarded for the £46m second phase of the Coleraine – Londonderry upgrading project

Babcock, Britain, has been appointed to carry out resignalling works while a local company, McLaughlin & Harvey, will construct a new passing loop at Bellarena.

Last November the Northern Ireland government commissioned an independent review into Translink's handling of the project after it emerged costs for the Phase 2 project had ballooned from an initial estimate of £22m to £46m

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Old June 3rd, 2015, 08:58 PM   #2188
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Good point, the loading gauge is the key thing to consider. And as we all know, you don't get a much more restrictive loading gauge with standard gauge tracks than the British loading gauge.
I agree, though the other extreme of using Overground-style longitudinal seating is equally horrid for trains traveling for more than 30-40 minutes.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 01:31 PM   #2189
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Why? There obviously is no place for a 3+3, and this arragement gives 20% more seats than a 2+2
No one ever wants to sit in 'The Middle Seat'. If they had 2+2 but kept the narrow seats then there would be loads of standing room which is better.
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Old June 4th, 2015, 01:55 PM   #2190
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No one ever wants to sit in 'The Middle Seat'. If they had 2+2 but kept the narrow seats then there would be loads of standing room which is better.
With the current (and rising) levels of obesity in this country those narrow 2+2 seats would end up being used by a single person, unless some kind of anti-butt-crack measure were introduced. Narrow seats are impractical in a country as fat as ours..
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Old June 5th, 2015, 07:31 AM   #2191
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I think the whole purpose of 3+2 seating is mainly political to address the belief that "every passenger deserves a seat", which is IIRC is incorporated in some passenger charters. Of course, in countries where this concept is impractible due to high levels of traffic, they just make seats 2+2 or longitudinal, and make more standing space available. The attitude is, in a daily commuter situation, you get to your destination no faster seated, and it's far preferable to get on the train, seated or not, than to be forced to remain on the platform to wait for the next (hopefully less crowded) train.

*If the loading gauge is wide enough, 3+2 seating is used for second class, but the middle seat is made wider to compensate for its location.

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Old June 5th, 2015, 05:02 PM   #2192
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The 3 seat benches get used as luxurious 2s when not full, and people choose between middle seat of a 3 and standing when it gets full. Works pretty well I think (at least on the Airedale line that I experience).
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Old June 9th, 2015, 12:41 PM   #2193
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Old June 10th, 2015, 10:39 AM   #2194
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Driver training underway on Borders Railway
Tuesday, June 09, 2015



SCOTLAND's Borders Railway took another step closer to reopening on June 9, when driver training commenced on the 48km line from Newcraighall south of Edinburgh to Tweedbank

Abellio ScotRail is training 64 drivers on the route using class 158 DMUs, which will operate services when the line opens.

A proving run took place on June 7 using a ScotRail class 170 DMU to check platform clearances at all seven new stations

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Old June 14th, 2015, 12:15 PM   #2195
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The UK rail regulator is to investigate Network Rail, accusing the company of causing poor punctuality and reliability on some of the country's busiest commuter routes.

Train services run by Southern, Thameslink and ScotRail all missed punctuality targets, the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) said.

Rail passenger journeys have risen 59.1% since 2005, while freight is up 9.1%.

Passengers using Thameslink routes have had to deal with disruption caused by long-term work at London Bridge, while track and signalling failures have disrupted travellers on Southern lines.

Last year, travellers passing through north London during the Christmas period suffered delays as engineering work at King's Cross and Paddington stations overran.

Network Rail pointed out that passenger numbers had more than doubled in the last 20 years since privatisation.

It said the number of people travelling by train grew by 67.3 million to a record high of 1.65 billion passengers last year.

The ORR said 89.6% of trains were on time, well below Network Rail's 92.5% target.

Last year, the percentage of trains that ran on time fell to 90%, down from 90.9% in 2013.

Publishing its annual results on Thursday, Network Rail set aside £77m for fines related to missing its punctuality targets, £24m of which it said had been "released".

It also pointed to a £246m cut in funding from the ORR, which it said contributed to a 51% decline in pre-tax profits to £506m. Network Rail added that rail investment was not affected.

The ORR conceded the network had had to cope with a large rise in use over time.

Network Rail finance director Patrick Butcher added that there were "more than a million more trains on the network than 10 years ago".

Network Rail added: "There are clearly opportunities to improve following decades of under-investment in the rail network. However, it is worth highlighting that we operate the safest passenger network in Europe and the railway asset reliability is the best it has ever been.

"The increase in passengers means that more people are getting to their destination on time than ever before."

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said: "I expect the regulator to hold Network Rail to account, performance must and should improve. The industry has to work together to address these failings and deliver for passengers and the economy: that needs to start now."

Network Rail is spending £24bn over five years on a whole host of projects designed to make more trains run on time and ease overcrowding.

But this report from the regulator, the ORR, says that one year in, the timetable for improvements is slipping and some costs are going up.

For example, work to upgrade the signals around Cardiff will now finish 17 months later than planned, meaning more delays for passengers.

And a project to electrify lines between Manchester and Liverpool finished about a month late, forcing passengers to use smaller, overcrowded trains for longer.

There is some praise in the report, especially for the way Network Rail has improved punctuality on the East Coast mainline from London to Edinburgh, and for freight services.

Having said that, punctuality overall remains 3% below target, with problems singled out on Southern trains, Thameslink trains and services across Scotland.
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Old June 15th, 2015, 03:41 PM   #2196
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One of the problems with 3+2 seating is that it seriously makes standing uncomfortable. There are a few cities in the UK where we have trains like this running through the city centre, where not everyone can get a seat. Having less seats increases capacity in these sections, particularly with sections of track like Hyndland to Dalmarnock or Bellgrove in Glasgow, which uses similar Class 319 and Class 320 EMUs.
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Old June 18th, 2015, 08:10 AM   #2197
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New timelapse on Bicester Village station construction, part of future London Marylebone-Oxford and East-West rail links:

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Old June 21st, 2015, 05:28 PM   #2198
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Rigid overhead installed in UK tunnel
21 Jun 2015


Furrer+Frey’s Rigid Overhead Conductor Rail System has been installed in the Stanton tunnel

UK: Furrer+Frey’s Rigid Overhead Conductor Rail System has been installed in UK for the first time, to support the testing of Hitachi IEP trainsets through the 1·2 km Stanton tunnel which forms part of the Old Dalby test track.

ROCS uses a rigid bar rather than tensioned overhead line, which Furrer+Frey says reduces the likelihood of dewirement or snapping. It has been tested to withstand a fire for more than 30 min, providing enough time to move a train out of the tunnel

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Old June 21st, 2015, 07:01 PM   #2199
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Is this what they have planned for Crossrail?
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Old June 21st, 2015, 08:17 PM   #2200
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Definetely not the first rigid overhead.

London St Pancras, Thameslink platforms A and B, from Greater London Photos website:

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