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Old March 17th, 2016, 03:12 PM   #2361
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Historically British trains only had marker lights, no actual headlights. The idea was that driver visibility with the weak headlights at the time wasn't that much better compared to no head lights at all and because the tracks were fenced there was no need, so they decided not to fit them. The marker lights were only needed for track side people to see the train coming, so they didn't need to be very bright either.
Later headlights were fitted, of which for some reason the left is used at night and the right during the day. Continental trains simply have a high beam/low beam switch, just like a car.
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Old March 17th, 2016, 03:38 PM   #2362
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Old March 17th, 2016, 03:47 PM   #2363
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Old March 17th, 2016, 03:49 PM   #2364
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Later headlights were fitted, of which for some reason the left is used at night and the right during the day.
So why dis be?
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Old March 18th, 2016, 11:23 PM   #2365
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Historically British trains only had marker lights, no actual headlights. The idea was that driver visibility with the weak headlights at the time wasn't that much better compared to no head lights at all and because the tracks were fenced there was no need, so they decided not to fit them. The marker lights were only needed for track side people to see the train coming, so they didn't need to be very bright either.
Later headlights were fitted, of which for some reason the left is used at night and the right during the day. Continental trains simply have a high beam/low beam switch, just like a car.
It's more complicated than that. The arrangement was not just for trackside crew to see the oncoming trains, but also a form of classification, to let signalmen set the right tracks, so the train would be guided onto the right branch. This was determinted by the placement, the amount of lights etc.

...I think.

The more I google it, the more confused I get. But my impression is that the rules are simply outdated.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 09:52 AM   #2366
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Old March 19th, 2016, 01:08 PM   #2367
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It's awesome to see so many Japanese trains heading for the UK.
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Old March 19th, 2016, 10:03 PM   #2368
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Good to see that 140mph could actually happen, now these trains are coming. I know pendolinos can apparently do 145mph and have never understood why there's still a 125 limit
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Old March 19th, 2016, 11:51 PM   #2369
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That would mean a switch to the continental triangle shape light arrangement, instead of the current asymmetrical light arrangement, right?
Not as I understand it.... We already have a triangle of light that meets the requirements for most newer trains we just tend to place the main headlight adjacent to the lower marker lights rather than the top marker light


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Old March 20th, 2016, 04:26 PM   #2370
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It's awesome to see so many Japanese trains heading for the UK.
What is so awesome about that? For a country which invented railways purchasing of new trains from abroad is already a sign of degradation in that industry. Yes the Japanese built assembly plant in Britain but also bought AnsaldoBreda factory in Italy and additional trains ordered will be build there. In the longer term British plant will most probably be downgraded to service facility and some pilot builds to put "made in Britain" sticker to basically Japanese train assembled in Italy. What is so awesome in letting Japanese companies into Europe while Japan is closed for European builds? And last but not least in what sense Japanese trains should be better than European designs? If Britain doesn't want to integrate with EU why the hell is still in this block and not in EFTA which for Norway and Switzerland gives what according to latest Cameron speech Britain wants. You can’t eat the cake and have the cake, buying trains in Japan instead of for example France You will have to bail out that country so it is twice the loss but hurray for few assembly jobs created in Britain
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Old March 20th, 2016, 05:31 PM   #2371
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Good to see that 140mph could actually happen, now these trains are coming. I know pendolinos can apparently do 145mph and have never understood why there's still a 125 limit
I thought that it had been decreed (following the ECML trials with a flashing green fifth aspect) that trains travelling faster than 125mph needed in-cab signalling.

As for the maximum speed that a Pendolino can actually achieve, every new type of train in the UK has to be tested at 10% over maximum speed, so presumably a Pendolino has achieved at least 154mph.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 04:25 PM   #2372
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What is so awesome in letting Japanese companies into Europe while Japan is closed for European builds?
Ah, no. In fact JR East requested foreign builders to submit bids for new DMU trains but so far it seems there are none interested. The fact is, European builders are not interested in selling to the Japanese market because the orders are probably too small to pursue, and they are not willing to commit to quality control and maintenance that is required, as the railways is Japan are the most demanding in the world in terms of reliability in timekeeping and equipment availability. Of course, the Euro builders are all for screaming unfair whenever a Japanese maker is successful in a bid, and commits long term to the market by building a factory and providing long term maintainance so equipment availability is top notch, because it makes them look bad.

Example of a European railway equipment maker that has been successful in Japan:
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/...n/terui_en.pdf
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Old March 21st, 2016, 05:16 PM   #2373
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Well, just think twice for which side it is better business - for Japanese Hitachi which delivers whole electric and bi-mode trains in hundreds numbers or to Europeans which were “gracefully” welcomed to deliver diesel power packs to some dozen of cars just to justify that “Japan is open”. Not to mention that regarding reduced number it could be simply cheaper to buy them from outside rather than developing own designs. Would You welcome with the same open arms Chinese trains? Britain has problems in being a team player and this time showed disregard not only to usual victim - the France but also to Germany or Spain.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 05:37 PM   #2374
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1) Japan just isn't that big of a market.

2) There's a BIG difference between Japan, a democratic country that has spent decades developing trading ties and a reputation for quality, and China, which is still the PRC, and has no such reputation.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 06:13 PM   #2375
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First of all, just read about Japan history and its Emperor Shōwa in regard to never trailed WWII war crimes than start to judge communist China where spread of that idea was partially a result of Japanese actions but this is fully OT not worth continuing. BTW just check where your “fully British” taxi car was produced as You may be surprised.

Secondly Japan has very poor trading ties in railway section in oppose to the European countries, well apart from Britain which simply has too expensive workforce to make rolling stock business effective. That is why Alstom closed its factory and for which is unrightfully punished to this time. The pitiful deal with Hitachi won’t change anything, in exchange for few assembly jobs You will simply receive Japanese trains assembled mostly in Italy with made in Britain sticker on it. But on other hand it has bad effect on rail market in Europe with Bombardier effectively the only which still has factory in Britain is reducing its staff.

As for the Japanese rail market, yes in DMU sector it is extremely small and that is why this one was "opened" for international completion, the EMU segment with thousands of ordered cars is closed. And of course right now Japan has pretty good technology available but it isn’t better than European and on other hand China is rapidly developing its own solutions which I also wouldn’t like to see in Europe.
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I am fully aware of Japan's history, thank you very much. However, they have at least made some apologies and more importantly THEY DON'T DO IT ANYMORE.

And if I see a British taxi within a thousand miles and not in a museum, I'll be surprised. I'm equally pissed off about certain contracts in Boston and Chicago.

The EMU market has had some (small) openings, but one of the big issues is that the local suppliers there know the unique challenges that Japan faces much better. Siemans did a contract on the Shinkansen several years ago, but they turned out to have an inferior product.
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What is so awesome about that? For a country which invented railways purchasing of new trains from abroad is already a sign of degradation in that industry. Yes the Japanese built assembly plant in Britain but also bought AnsaldoBreda factory in Italy and additional trains ordered will be build there. In the longer term British plant will most probably be downgraded to service facility and some pilot builds to put "made in Britain" sticker to basically Japanese train assembled in Italy. What is so awesome in letting Japanese companies into Europe while Japan is closed for European builds? And last but not least in what sense Japanese trains should be better than European designs? If Britain doesn't want to integrate with EU why the hell is still in this block and not in EFTA which for Norway and Switzerland gives what according to latest Cameron speech Britain wants. You can’t eat the cake and have the cake, buying trains in Japan instead of for example France You will have to bail out that country so it is twice the loss but hurray for few assembly jobs created in Britain
Sorry, so what would you rather happen? Japanese trains are very good designs and if they can fulfil the brief better than other European companies then so be it.

I would also warn you to never bring politics like you did with WWII into a thread like this. It's OT and not tolerated in this environment.
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Old March 21st, 2016, 09:24 PM   #2378
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Sorry, so what would you rather happen? Japanese trains are very good designs and if they can fulfil the brief better than other European companies then so be it.
There isn't any supremacy of Japanese technology over European, they are fairly equal and that's about it. The only thing that Hitachi got into this deal was someone foolishness that building foreign assembly plant will revive British manufacturing which simply backfired in Bombardier Crewe workshop. So yes bring more Japanese technology and be happy from unemployment benefits.
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There isn't any supremacy of Japanese technology over European, they are fairly equal and that's about it. The only thing that Hitachi got into this deal was someone foolishness that building foreign assembly plant will revive British manufacturing which simply backfired in Bombardier Crewe workshop. So yes bring more Japanese technology and be happy from unemployment benefits.
I didn't say they were superior, I said they offered the better tender and had good designs (not better).

Who would you rather build the trains then? Pesa?
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Who would you rather build the trains then? Pesa?
There are plenty fish in the sea Bombardier has its plant in Britain and can't find work to fill it, Siemens is constantly supplying rolling stock to Britain, CAF recently entered it while Alstom is knocking on the door since those were shut with otherwise reasonable closure of UK plant and just recently realised that without establishing new facility won't deliver there anything. It isn't about technical reasons that lead to Hitachi selection nor earlier high prices or lack of competition, it was purely based on “building new jobs in Britain” without any regard to the internal or external consequences. But reality hit soon when Hitachi bought AnsaldoBreda showing that their commitment to jobs in Britain is so sincere as was with Alstom.
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