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Old March 27th, 2016, 08:14 PM   #2401
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Old March 27th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #2402
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Old March 30th, 2016, 05:51 PM   #2403
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East West Rail preferred corridor selected
29 Mar 2016



UK: Network Rail announced on March 29 that it had selected a Bedford – Sandy – Cambridge corridor as its preferred option for the Central Section of the East West Rail project to reinstate a rail link between Oxford, Cambridge and East Anglia.

NR had studied 20 possible corridors before choosing the option which it believes offers the best return on investment. These geographical corridors were broadly drawn, and the process was designed to select the places to be served, rather than to consider detailed alignments. NR told Railway Gazette that extensive studies and public consultation would be required before a ‘line on a map’ route is finalised

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Old March 30th, 2016, 08:44 PM   #2404
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Network Rail completes Norton Bridge flyover
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NETWORK Rail (NR) marked a milestone in a key project to relieve a major bottleneck on the West Coast Main Line on March 29, when revenue services began using the Norton Bridge flyover

The grade separation enables trains travelling to and from Manchester to cross the busy Stafford - Crewe section of the WCML, eliminating the previous flat junction

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First orders AT300s for TransPennine Express
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FIRST TransPennine Express (FTPE) has awarded Hitachi Rail Europe a contract to supply 19 bi-mode (diesel and electric) AT300 multiple units for the new TransPennine Express franchise, which starts on April 1 and runs until 2023

The five-car inter-city trains, which are being procured by leasing company Angel Trains, will seat 330 passengers, compared with 169 on FTPE's existing Siemens class 185 DMUs

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Old April 3rd, 2016, 09:25 PM   #2406
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18 injured in 'low impact' Plymouth train crash - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-35954361

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Old April 4th, 2016, 04:08 PM   #2407
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Those new TransPennine Express trains look nice.

Just one question about them: I though trains in the UK had to have a yellow front for safety reasons. At least all British trains I know do have a yellow front, but these TransPennine Express trains don't have them. Have the rules changed? Of was there never such a rule in the first place?
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Have the rules changed? Of was there never such a rule in the first place?
They've changed.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/t...-optional.html
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Old April 7th, 2016, 05:46 PM   #2410
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East Japan Railway on West Midlands franchise shortlist
07 Apr 2016



UK: Three bidders have been shortlisted for the next West Midlands passenger franchise, the Department for Transport announced on April 7. DfT is expected to issue the invitation to tender in July, with bids to be submitted in November. It expects to award the contract in June 2017, ready for the new franchise to start in October 2017.

The shortlisted bidders are:
  • London & West Midlands Railway Ltd, a bid vehicle formed by the Govia joint venture of Keolis (35%) and Go-Ahead Group (65%) which has operated the current franchise since 2007 under the London Midland brand;
  • West Midlands Trains Ltd, a subsidiary of the Abellio Transport Group Ltd business of Dutch national passenger operator NS, with East Japan Railway and Mitsui Corp as minority partners;
  • MTR Corp (West Midlands) Ltd, formed by Hong Kong MTR subsidiary MTR Corp (UK) Ltd.
The West Midlands franchise covers commuter and inter-regional passenger services across an area of central England centred on Birmingham, including services along the West Coast Main Line from London Euston in the south to Liverpool Lime Street in the northwes

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Old April 10th, 2016, 03:35 PM   #2411
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First TransPennine Express Ltd has awarded Hitachi Rail Europe and leasing company Angel Trains a contract to supply 19 five-car AT300 electro-diesel multiple units for use on the TransPennine Express franchise in northern England from December 2019.
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The initial vehicles are to be supplied from Hitachi’s Kasado factory in Japan, but the majority will be assembled at the company’s UK plant at Newton Aycliffe.
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Hurray, buy mote Jap trains its clearly extremely good for UK
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The Canadian plane and train manufacturer Bombardier is to cut 7,000 jobs – one-tenth of its global workforce – over the next two years, including 1,350 in the UK.
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Bombardier’s Belfast business, one of Northern Ireland’s biggest employers, will be hit particularly hard. Bombardier is reducing the workforce by a fifth; 580 job losses are planned for this year and another 500 next year.
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Another 270 jobs will go at Bombardier’s train-making factories across the UK, including Derby, its main site, which has just come to the end of a large contract for London Underground.
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Do not use the word "Jap" - it's counted as a slur by them due to the use by Americans during WWII. We avoid using pejorative terms when possible.

Clearly Bombardier has structural problems and if they are having to slough jobs then they were probably not the best competitor for the tender, no? Why go with a company that clearly was not performing.

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Old April 10th, 2016, 03:57 PM   #2413
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As they are shedding 5,650 jobs outside the UK then I doubt it is only due to the UK buying Hitachi trains. Even if there is a direct link 280 jobs lost in the UK train manufacturing business, how many created at Hitachi's facility in Co. Durham, 700?
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Old April 10th, 2016, 04:02 PM   #2414
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Clearly Bombardier has structural problems and if they are having to slough jobs then they were probably not the best competitor for the tender, no? Why go with a company that clearly was not performing.
Need answers why Bombardier cuts UK jobs, not a problem, here it is clearly stated. Plant isn't feed properly and must reduce staff, it already happened in the short past and none conclusions were drawn from that. But due to this topic policy I bow before 100 jobs created in Newton Aycliffe with possibility of increase to 400, who would bother that as a result of this policy triple of that was lost during few years... .
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Old April 10th, 2016, 04:24 PM   #2415
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Most of the job cuts in Bombardier are in their aircraft manufacturering business not the train manufacturing part which I understand has a healthy order book...

Nobody seems to remember the third big manufacturer (who in the interests of transparency I work for although not in rolling stock) who while they don't assemble the trains in the UK actually use a higher proportion of UK components than the trains being built in Newton Aycliffe
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Old April 10th, 2016, 07:10 PM   #2416
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Don't let your details bother you, Richard P has clearly explained how buying Hitachi trains leads to join losses in aircraft manufacturing.

I have to say his crusade against Hitachi is bizarre....
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Yeah right, present Bombardier faith is a direct response to IEP awarded to Hitachi and subsequently Thameslink to Siemens with Crossrail fleet taken out of it and awarded to Bombardier because without it Derby works would be closed by now. Lets read what Bombardier had to say after IEP went to Hitachi:
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Bombardier was unable to comment on the decision yesterday because it is still "reserve bidder" in the IEP deal, but the firm is also still in the running to win a £1.4 billion contract to build 1,200 vehicles for the Thameslink programme.
Bombardier, which employs 3,000 people at its Litchurch Lane plant, is competing with German rival Siemens to win the contract.
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After Siemens was named preferred bidder in June 2011 to construct the new rolling stock for Thameslink services through London, Bombardier announced it was to cut 1,400 out of the 3,000 jobs at Derby.
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By February 2012 the plant had reduced its workforce to approximately 1,600 and it revived again in 2014 with orders from Gatwick Express and Crossrail
So UK lost almost 1500 jobs in Bombardier in return for possibly 400 in Hitachi. And on other hand even with latest layoffs of 270 people Bombardier employs three time as much as Hitachi despite half loaded factories... .
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Before you were saying that as long as it was European it was fine (despite Bombardier being Canadian), now you are saying that orders shouldn't be placed with Siemens either?? Sorry but we don't live in a heavily protectionist country, Bombardier will just have to compete with the others.

As the article you quoted says the Bombardier workforce was increased in 2014 due to the Gatwick Express contract, I'm sure it will go up and down again in future as they win and lose contracts, what isn't going to happen is that Bombardier will be guaranteed all future contracts, and nor should it.
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Old April 11th, 2016, 01:58 AM   #2419
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If You would read my earlier posts properly You wouldn't gone into such conclusions. First of all I've pointed out that Britain has its factory which was quickly overturned as “Canadian company which doesn't make any difference to Japanese one” so here are data for that:
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According to DfT the train order will support 760 UK manufacturing jobs plus 80 apprenticeships, and an estimated 74% of contract spend will remain in the UK economy. Bombardier's target is for at least 25% of the value of the contract to go to small and medium-sized companies.
The contract includes maintenance of the fleet. Construction of the depot at Old Oak Common will support 244 jobs plus 16 apprenticeships, and once operational it will support 80 train maintenance job.
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For comparison Hitachi created 100 jobs and is aiming at 400 which clearly marks difference between assembly line and production plant despite both being theoretically foreign companies. The IEP and Crossrail deals are fairly comparable in amount and with both awarded to Bombardier would secure full jobs in that company. On other hand the same could be achieved by Thameslink deal and this is why only after that announcement jobs were effectively halved in Bombardier and never recovered. Quite simply they won't return without UK orders because due to tight clearance and high working costs there won't be orders from other countries which can do it cheaper.

And as for EU versus rest of the World I've said it clear - either You will order there or You will have to bailout that country - which do You prefer? One that is clear is that awarding orders in such manner as it was done ended up with UK loosing at least 1000 jobs in railway rolling stock building industry. Of course You may fully deny it but this is what actual data are saying.
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You don't seem to understand that decisions on procurement are not made solely on the number of jobs that will directly create for a particular contract, there are other considerations, increasing competition within the marketplace may be one of them for example, or they may just prefer the features of this Hitachi train over it's competitors.

How many more jobs would be created if every purchaser in the UK bought a Jaguar rather than a BMW? Probably a lot, but we don't force every buyer to do that. As for your other point that we must either buy an EU product every time or bail out the country that product comes from that is nonsense, as long as those countries have reasonably competitive products they will win a fair share of the market, no need to boycott Chilean wine and buy French every time as a special favour.
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