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Old April 18th, 2017, 10:54 PM   #2661
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The Kent coast loop is longer, IIRC, but that's a London-coast-London service and now takes HS1 (so not third rail west of Ashford), rather than the SEML.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 11:18 PM   #2662
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Old April 23rd, 2017, 03:29 PM   #2663
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Trip on Southeastern High Speed to Deal:

We are starting by catching new Thameslink class 700 to St Pancras:

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New Eurostar from Siemens:

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Ready to go:

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Old April 23rd, 2017, 03:32 PM   #2664
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After Ashford we use classing third rail lane, and after Folkestone it offers great coastal views:

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After exiting service in Deal our train continues to Ramsgate:

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Deal station

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On the wway back:

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Again around Folkestone:

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Old April 24th, 2017, 12:10 AM   #2665
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4 trains on the ECML - in parallel

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Old April 24th, 2017, 12:57 PM   #2666
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More shots of Southeastern High Speed, this time from around Dover

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Old April 24th, 2017, 01:00 PM   #2667
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This stretch of track was severely damaged by storm in December 2015. It took 9 months to build new concrete viaduct in place of the old structure (yes, it is a viaduct, not an embankment):

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Regular service to London Charing Cross:

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Old April 24th, 2017, 01:03 PM   #2668
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Dover Priory, service to Ramsgate is departing:

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Train to St Pancras entering station:

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Between Folkstone and Ashford International the classic tracks run parallel to the HS1:

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Aproaching Ashford International. HS1 bypasses the station (as well as various depots) via long viaduct:

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Old April 24th, 2017, 04:14 PM   #2669
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Can somebody explain to me, why they are using as an excuse for delays the dropped leaves on the track? I never heard this before and I think that it is B....s..t!
Likely those planners on the West of the North Sea do not plan their services well. Leaves have been a problem in any West-European country since the construction of railway lines. The Netherlands sees all services being planned less tight: it is always already less tight compared to the UK because actually one should be able to compensate for delays.


But.. leaves make the rails very slippery. That makes it harder to brake for trains, losing traction. This gives quite some problems. We in the Netherlands use a lot of tools, from blowing the leaves away to heating (which causes leaves to dry out), or the opposite, keeping the tracks wet before leaves fall off which also seems to make leaves disappear.
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Old April 24th, 2017, 06:22 PM   #2670
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Wasn't there a halt right along Shakespeare Cliff near the tunnels at some point? Was there any thought put into re-opening it?
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Old April 25th, 2017, 11:46 AM   #2671
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Likely those planners on the West of the North Sea do not plan their services well. Leaves have been a problem in any West-European country since the construction of railway lines. The Netherlands sees all services being planned less tight: it is always already less tight compared to the UK because actually one should be able to compensate for delays.


But.. leaves make the rails very slippery. That makes it harder to brake for trains, losing traction. This gives quite some problems. We in the Netherlands use a lot of tools, from blowing the leaves away to heating (which causes leaves to dry out), or the opposite, keeping the tracks wet before leaves fall off which also seems to make leaves disappear.
The UK changes timetables to account for leaf fall every year. Some lines have more time added than others depending on their location and nearby trees. It's not an exact science though, as leaf fall is dependent on the weather, so there will be days with no problems and others where it's even worse than planned for.

The UK media seem to think that it is a joke reason, and also that the UK is the only place this happens, when it is a problem as mentioned anywhere with significant numbers of deciduous trees
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Old April 25th, 2017, 05:42 PM   #2672
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The UK media seem to think that it is a joke reason
That, and the "wrong kind of snow"...
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the ceiling on the upper deck looks quite low for a comfortable ride, but that's an impression from the pictures. It's an interesting concept, I thought there was no way the British loading gauge could accept a double decker
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Old April 28th, 2017, 06:36 PM   #2675
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I thought there was no way the British loading gauge could accept a double decker
It has done in the past, with the exact same problem you give of low ceilings.

Additional problems are the lack of accessibility - everywhere is got to by stairs and that won't be legal.

And those stairs add a lot to dwell times - this is the key reason why they won't work on existing railways in the UK: not the restrictive loading gauge making double-deckers cramped, but because it takes too long to board/disembark.

HS2 is providing two-platforms per direction because of this issue (as is the London Bridge rebuild on the Charing Cross lines and the peak direction Cannon Street lines - where there's high-frequency and high numbers of people getting on and off). Elsewhere such things aren't provided. The lengthy dwell times limit the number of trains you can send along the tracks before a train starts blocking those behind - the UK currently runs lower-capacity trains frequently, rather than higher-capacity trains infrequently and these double-deckers would change that, making rail less convenient and thus less desirable.
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Old April 28th, 2017, 11:17 PM   #2676
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Old May 1st, 2017, 11:21 PM   #2677
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It has done in the past, with the exact same problem you give of low ceilings.

Additional problems are the lack of accessibility - everywhere is got to by stairs and that won't be legal.

And those stairs add a lot to dwell times - this is the key reason why they won't work on existing railways in the UK: not the restrictive loading gauge making double-deckers cramped, but because it takes too long to board/disembark.

HS2 is providing two-platforms per direction because of this issue (as is the London Bridge rebuild on the Charing Cross lines and the peak direction Cannon Street lines - where there's high-frequency and high numbers of people getting on and off). Elsewhere such things aren't provided. The lengthy dwell times limit the number of trains you can send along the tracks before a train starts blocking those behind - the UK currently runs lower-capacity trains frequently, rather than higher-capacity trains infrequently and these double-deckers would change that, making rail less convenient and thus less desirable.
Reading the write up in Modern Rail the Aerolinas concept is really aimed at medium distance services from London in the 100 mile range and limited stop . It gives a 35% uplift in capacity for the same length of train and I can think of many outer suburban London runs they could be used on (Bournemouth, Oxford, Banbury, Northampton, Peterborough and Cambridge to name but a few.

Allthose lines out of London are filling up and I can't see them building 4 new high speed lines out of London in the next 20 years.

And those long distance commuter lines have seen the biggest growth due to Londons property prices. It's only a matter of time the Dept of Transport funds a prototype.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 02:09 AM   #2678
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The alternative is either more tracks, lengthening platforms or enlarging the loading gauge so European sized double decker trains can run. None of them are really practical: in a heavily built-up area such as the one around London there's no room for additional tracks, platform lengthening is done, but isn't always practical, and widening the loading gauge is eye watering expensive as this means that many bridges and stations have to be adapted.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 03:13 PM   #2679
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It would be a very good idea for Network Rail to have a map of where the loading gauge is expanded or where it is easy to expand: it could be a whole relief if it seems on some lines only small objects leave to be replaced somehow in order to make larger trains possible.

Btw, which loading gauge is expected for HS2?
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 10:49 PM   #2680
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I have heard rumors of reopening the old LSWR from Exeter to Plymouth via Okehampton in order to have a bypass of the Dawlish sea wall. Any thoughts on likelihood there? Might they reopen some of the other branches (Padstow, etc.) at the same time, or as a result? Might this lead to double-tracking on the West of England line?
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