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Old February 16th, 2009, 01:40 AM   #441
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Are the train specifications of the express rail alliance's offer known? Weigh more or less than Hitachi's offer?
______________________British Rail IC225 _____Super Express
Top speed in service________125mph   →
Typical journey time London_4hrs 23mins_________4hrs 11mins
Edinburgh
Train length_________________247m_______________260m
Train weight_________________498t_______________412t
Number of Seats______________536________________649
Energy consumption per seat km 0.035kwh_________0.030kwh

According to the specs. Hitachi offers a train that has greater acceleration rate with larger capacity that weighs lighter with less energy consumption per seat(over all energy consumption is 18.76KWh for IC225, HSE 19.47KWh) than the prior IC225.

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As for rail alliance's offer, going over Bombardier and Siemens present product line comparing with the required specifications it was probably the Voyager(Class 220), Super Voyager(Class 221) and/or Meridian & Pioneer(Class 222) locomotives fitted with Siemens's Viaggio Comfort cabins.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 01:49 AM   #442
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This train design makes the train looks so sad and tired like if somebody had hit him in the schoolyard and comes to report to teacher...
Is it so sad to be the Gatwick Express? Where is the true good British Design?
British design? Unfortunately Thatcher-the-milk-snatcher sold all of that off 20 years ago.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 01:49 PM   #443
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British design? Unfortunately Thatcher-the-milk-snatcher sold all of that off 20 years ago.
the problem is more that Blair and Brown didn't build much infrastructure in the boom. Major had a lot planned, but no money to build it in his later years, Blair came in and the plans went.

Recent British design is seen best in France, etc. The Millau Viaduct, the tallest bridge in the world, is British design and in the South of France.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #444
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Major had plenty of roads planned.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 04:21 PM   #445
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Major had plenty of roads planned.
but no money - that's what I said!
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Old February 17th, 2009, 11:39 PM   #446
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Are the train specifications of the express rail alliance's offer known? Weigh more or less than Hitachi's offer?
Less.

ERA met more of the criteria than Agility, not just on weight, on other things too. The decision to give it to Agility is purely a political one (whether that is good or bad is for another thread).
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Old February 18th, 2009, 01:35 AM   #447
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ERA met more of the criteria than Agility, not just on weight, on other things too. The decision to give it to Agility is purely a political one (whether that is good or bad is for another thread).
How did you come to that conclusion?
Do you have the actual specs of what ERA was proposing?
If so please share.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 03:18 AM   #448
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If Bombardier had got this order, what that would be is a monopoly.

Bombardier currently have orders for...
191 S Stock trains.
49 2009 stock Trains.
23 Class 377 Trains.
Stansted Express 120 new carriages.
40 Metrolink trams along with options for 50-60 more.

There are two other huge Tenders out which include...
200 Carriages as part of the 1300 carriage order.
1100 Carriages for Thameslink trains.

There will soon be more Tenders out for the rest of the 1100 carriages along with possible Tenders for the Piccadilly 88 and Bakerloo line Underground stock. Theres a possible 3000-4000 trains and carriages to win and build without the 1400 new intercity trains.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 12:02 PM   #449
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ERA met more of the criteria than Agility, not just on weight, on other things too. The decision to give it to Agility is purely a political one (whether that is good or bad is for another thread).
I read the same rumors/speculations elsewhere. I tried to find something concrete but without success. If you have the numbers please share.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 10:05 PM   #450
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I read the same rumors/speculations elsewhere. I tried to find something concrete but without success. If you have the numbers please share.
Even if they do have better specs - we now have competition in the UK. This is good news for the tax payer and rail user in terms of future tenders.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 05:54 PM   #451
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Tornado (which is our brand new steam loco) hauling the Royal Train between Leeds and York...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/7898633.stm

The Prince of Wales aboard - HRH officially named the loco at York today.

A proper, no-nonsense British railway scene!

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Old February 19th, 2009, 06:11 PM   #452
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I know it says 2008, but is that photo today? I saw loads of trainspotters between leeds and york, and i mean loads, every bridge was full of them. I also caught the back end of a Royal train leaving Leeds. I really needed a piss but the police had blocked off the toilets. we overtook it just after on route to york on the ECML (the tornado). It was doing about 50-60.
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Yeah it was today.

Another photo:

http://www.trainpics.net/p56487816.html
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I read the same rumors/speculations elsewhere. I tried to find something concrete but without success. If you have the numbers please share.
Roger Ford's 'Informed Sources' in the UK Magazine 'Modern Railways' is likely to have extensive coverage of the Intercity Express Programme decision. March's edition is out on Thursday /Friday next week (26/27 February).

However if you can't wait that long, Roger will email his 'e-preview' on the preceding Monday (23 February).

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Old February 20th, 2009, 12:19 AM   #455
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Thanks a lot for the response
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Old February 20th, 2009, 01:02 PM   #456
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I always download the weekly, FREE Railway Herald...

http://www.railwayherald.co.uk/magaz...e=UK&issue=166

Very good for news, photos and upcoming events in Britain and now also internationally.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 06:56 PM   #457
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I was browsing the Japanese topics and stumbled upon these pics... will this ever be viable in the british loading gauge???






And these:




On the other hand ... Tornado does rule ...
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I was browsing the Japanese topics and stumbled upon these pics... will this ever be viable in the british loading gauge???
Lets hope not.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #459
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I doubt it. The UK loading gauge is very restrictive. We can't really operate the same kind of double deck trains like they do in Europe and everywhere else.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 09:22 PM   #460
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That Kyushu Sonic Express Train looks a hell of a lot like the ICE-3 set. Did ICE-3 draw it's inspiration from the Kyushu Express?
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