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Old February 20th, 2009, 09:49 PM   #461
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And these:


On the other hand ... Tornado does rule ...
This train is exactly the model which the Class 395 Javelins are based on.
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Old February 20th, 2009, 09:54 PM   #462
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oooooh yeah, I should have guessed.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 03:14 AM   #463
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Only in case of ICE TD, which is only used on Hamburg–København.
All other ICEs are faster (Vmax):

ICE T: 230 km/h
ICE 1: 280 km/h
ICE 2: 280 km/h
ICE 3: 330 km/h
ICE 3M: 330 km/h
ICE 3MF: 330 km/h
Wow, I didn't know ICE trains went so fast.

It really is a testament to how pathetic intercity rail travel in America is when reading about 125 mph trains makes me excited and jealous.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 04:11 AM   #464
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oooooh yeah, I should have guessed.
But Javelins are still prettier and a full 100km/h faster~

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Wow, I didn't know ICE trains went so fast.

It really is a testament to how pathetic intercity rail travel in America is when reading about 125 mph trains makes me excited and jealous.
ICE is actually slow, only a TINY fraction of the entire line can be operated at those speed, but I have to say Southeastern Highspeed is worse coz it's only 5km/h faster than the top speed of French classic lines (which is pathetic for a service using a LGV line), and even ECML can acheive such speed (and beyond) given that in cab signalling is eventually installed. But I think a train faster than 140mph doesn't have much use on HS1-DS except for services beyond Ashford, where the higher speed can be utilised on the HS1 stretch between Ebbsfleet and Ashford.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 05:13 AM   #465
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I doubt it. The UK loading gauge is very restrictive. We can't really operate the same kind of double deck trains like they do in Europe and everywhere else.
It's the price we pay for having, historically, one of the most developed railway networks in the world.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 09:07 PM   #466
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Well I'm sure you also know that double decker trains have their disadvantages especially in terms of dwell times, something which in the UK network is quite important given the capacity issues and head way. Lengthy head ways would mean longer gaps between each trains and could mean less capacity overall in the form of less frequency.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 02:48 PM   #467
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Indeed, that report the other day noted that we have the most expensive railway journies but also have the most frequent, possibly because of the lack of double deckers.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 07:41 PM   #468
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Can any one help me about the standard size of UK train and platform please ?
especially Scotrail train classes and the dimension of Platform high and wide ... and some information about Uk train design ...

Thank you so much
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Can any one help me about the standard size of UK train and platform please ?
especially Scotrail train classes and the dimension of Platform high and wide ... and some information about Uk train design ...

Thank you so much
A platform can be any width but there aren't any really narrow ones. The standard British platform height is defined as 915mm.

There is a list of current stock here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_S...#Current_fleet
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Can any one help me about the standard size of UK train and platform please ?
especially Scotrail train classes and the dimension of Platform high and wide ... and some information about Uk train design ...


I believe 915mm is the standard for new platforms - I always thought British platforms were 1100mm...?

I'm sure the H&S bods have also set a 'minimum platform width' for safe passenger use... I remember seeing it recently, although I can't remember where or what it is...

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@Mostly Lurking and Uk-highspeed : Thank you , that really help me a lot , the drawing is great

A platform can be any width but i believe that there is a minimum width ,
and the modern platform could have some standard for the future train as well

are there any graphic standard book available for reference ?
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Old March 10th, 2009, 01:29 AM   #472
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are there any graphic standard book available for reference ?
Have a look at Railway Group Standards. Standard RIS-7700-INS looks useful.
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Old March 10th, 2009, 02:56 AM   #473
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@ CityGent Thanks a lot man - that help so much
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Old March 22nd, 2009, 04:46 AM   #474
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ERA met more of the criteria than Agility, not just on weight, on other things too. The decision to give it to Agility is purely a political one (whether that is good or bad is for another thread).
So what is the final verdict?
Was it a political decision that even though Agility's bid was a weaker tender the British government selected it over ERA because of possible monopoly OR just an unconfirmed rumor for back stabbing?
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So what is the final verdict?
Was it a political decision that even though Agility's bid was a weaker tender the British government selected it over ERA because of possible monopoly OR just an unconfirmed rumor for back stabbing?
It is fact that Agilitys bid was weaker. I didn't say whether it was a good thing or not to choose them so I'm not quite sure what you are asking.
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It is fact that Agilitys bid was weaker. I didn't say whether it was a good thing or not to choose them so I'm not quite sure what you are asking.

How was it WEAKER?

You never gave any facts to back your words.

That's just back stabbing if you ask me.
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Next-generation EMU details revealed
16 Mar 2009



UK: Alstom Transport revealed outline details of the X'trapolis UK electric multiple-unit design it is proposing for the British market at the Railtex exhibition in London.

Having effectively been out of the UK regional train building market for almost a decade, Alstom feels the demand for around 1 200 vehicles under the Thameslink Programme plus potential orders for Crossrail and the replacement of existing suburban EMUs is sufficient to justify the costs of developing a new rolling stock platform to compete with Bombardier's Electrostar and Siemens' Desiro families.

'10 years ago we had Juniper, but Juniper does not meet the requirements going forward' said Piers Wood, Project Director at Alstom. While Alstom 'has been quiet on the new build front, we have learned a lot about maintaining trains.'

The X'trapolis UK concept is part of the Alsom's X'trapolis product family of trains for longer distances but not high speeds. However the tight UK loading gauges, high platforms and other technical requirements mean that none of the current Alstom rolling stock platforms are suitable for easy adaptation to the British market. 'Every market has its peculiarities, but the UK is arguably the most complex', said Wood.

Wood said the design is being influenced by experience with X'trapolis trains in Chile, Spain and Australia. A key feature of the proposal is 'bogie offset articulation', with bogies under the end of one vehicle, rather than common to two cars as with conventional articulated stock.




According to Alstom, the combination of axle spacing and bogie configuration means that on curves the outward 'end throw' offsets the inward 'centre throw'. This allows a wider body and more floor space than conventional articulation, while retaining the advantages of a reduction in the number of bogies, and thus train weight, noise and maintenance costs.

Articulation will also remove the need for extensive crumple zones at vehicles ends, thus offering further potentially increases in capacity.
source: Railway Gazette
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How was it WEAKER?

You never gave any facts to back your words.

That's just back stabbing if you ask me.
How is it back stabbing when I have not said it is a bad thing? I am GLAD Agility won - how on earth is that back stabbing?

Here is a fact for you - Agilitys bid was heavier - and they have been told to shave off some tonnage by the DfT.
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hi dont know wether this is considered spaming (mods can delete if it is), but i have put up some photos of the revamped Oriel Rd train station in this thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...240643&page=16

just thought you might be interested.
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How is it back stabbing when I have not said it is a bad thing? I am GLAD Agility won - how on earth is that back stabbing?

Here is a fact for you - Agilitys bid was heavier - and they have been told to shave off some tonnage by the DfT.
You go on like we expect your every word to be taken as fact. Either that, or you expect everybody to know everything. It doesnt work like that.

How do you know its heavier? At least tell us how, even if its you heard it off ur mate who works at the DFT.
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