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Old December 14th, 2007, 06:36 PM   #41
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Of course they must be yellow, but if you look at the classic HST nose a larger portion of the front was yellow, not just the width of the window. As NX have done it it gives it a bit of an odd visual accentuation. I prefer FGW's yellow

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The classic Intercity executive was better too. But I still love the old blue and white with a yellow end that absolutely everything had in the early 80s (just on the HSTs though)
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Old December 14th, 2007, 10:14 PM   #42
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Of course they must be yellow, but if you look at the classic HST nose a larger portion of the front was yellow, not just the width of the window. As NX have done it it gives it a bit of an odd visual accentuation. I prefer FGW's yellow

The classic Intercity executive was better too. But I still love the old blue and white with a yellow end that absolutely everything had in the early 80s (just on the HSTs though)
I can't say I have very strong views on how much yellow is on the front of the train. I agree though that the HST has been a good train and an excellent workhorse
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Old December 15th, 2007, 01:26 PM   #43
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Hehe, neither do I really!!! It's funny what you end up getting into discussions with on the internet!
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Old December 15th, 2007, 02:03 PM   #44
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I must say the new livery has grown on me. The grey actually looks quite swish.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 02:11 PM   #45
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I must say the new livery has grown on me. The grey actually looks quite swish.
I totally agree
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Old December 15th, 2007, 02:13 PM   #46
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Hehe, neither do I really!!! It's funny what you end up getting into discussions with on the internet!
Good Train though, and with a small British nose unlike those French trains with their big French Noses.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 03:14 PM   #47
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I must agree in that I think the new livery looks very swish and refreshing!

That being said the 125's do look quite good, although I hope to see the Hitachi Olympic Javelin or ICE3 running on the lines at some point soon!
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Old December 15th, 2007, 06:18 PM   #48
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The Class 90/91's should also look great when they are all repainted with the new livery

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Old December 17th, 2007, 01:06 PM   #49
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I must agree in that I think the new livery looks very swish and refreshing!

That being said the 125's do look quite good, although I hope to see the Hitachi Olympic Javelin or ICE3 running on the lines at some point soon!
Really? The Hitachi trains might be fast, but they're commuter trains, not long distance trains. They wouldn't be comfortable enough for such a long ride.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 02:01 PM   #50
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Really? Shocking. What alternatives are there?
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Old December 17th, 2007, 02:54 PM   #51
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They won't be that bad - even the long distance (2+2) electrostars have decentish seats (though the 2+3 layouts are awful) - they won't downgarde the comfort on the IKF for commuters to pay a premium for. But Amirtaheri - if you're talking about new trains then if further 395s were to be procured for north of London routes there's no reason why they couldn't have luxury seating spec.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 03:28 PM   #52
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True. They do look like a fine train Though I guess the proof will be in the pudding!
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Old December 17th, 2007, 04:52 PM   #53
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The Intercity Express Programme is yet to be decided, although there is now a shortlist.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/iep/iepshortlist

As well as the valuable Southeastern contract, Hitachi was also shortlisted by the government earlier in the month to compete to build a new generation of intercity express trains for Britain's rail network that will come into full operation in 2015.

Hitachi Europe is competing against Alstom-Barclays Rail Group and the Express Rail Alliance (a consortium comprising Bombardier Transportation, Siemens, Angel Trains and Babcock & Brown) — will be invited to submit its proposal next summer, with the award of the contract scheduled for winter 2008-09.





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Old December 17th, 2007, 10:45 PM   #54
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Really? The Hitachi trains might be fast, but they're commuter trains, not long distance trains. They wouldn't be comfortable enough for such a long ride.
Yes and no... They might be commuter trains but they'll be running along the fastest stretch of railway in the country and there are only two intermediate stops between Ashford and London (Ebbsfleet and Stratford).
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Old April 27th, 2008, 04:53 AM   #56
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Why are suburban stations so crummy compared to Tube stations?
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Old April 27th, 2008, 02:48 PM   #57
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Old April 28th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #58
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the majority of suburban station were built back in the 19th and early 20th centuries and have been exposed to all that british weather throws at them, add a poor maintenance and refurbishment programme and you get what we are stuck with now.

Tube stations have the protection of metres of earth around them so don't look quite so messy, as with comments on many other threads.

We need to invest in what we have but moneys is diverted to more pressing matters like the war in iraq etc..

until the government gets serious about public transport as a way to reduce our carbon footprint nothing will happen - just look at the birmingham new street debacle.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 01:40 AM   #59
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Two interesting recent reports into the recent (and historic) growth of the British railway network:

http://www.atoc-comms.org/admin/user...y%20090408.pdf

http://www.atoc-comms.org/admin/user...20REPORT-1.pdf

Passenger numbers are at their highest since 1946 (and when the figure goes higher this year again it will likely be the highest of all time) and freight is also massively up from 10 years ago. The network infrastructure itself may not be growing as fast (though it is growing incrementally) but numbers using the railways is soaring.
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Old May 17th, 2008, 03:48 AM   #60
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Tube stations have the protection of metres of earth around them so don't look quite so messy, as with comments on many other threads.
Overground Tube stations look tonnes better, too.
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