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Old January 3rd, 2012, 12:52 AM   #1081
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Yeah, but most people do not use rail like that, not in a small(ish) country like the UK or the Netherlands anyway. I think I have never booked a rail journey more than a week in advance ever.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 02:06 AM   #1082
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Indeed Robi. Theoretically, price discrimination is great and has many benefits, however, when applied in a practical case like in the UK it may be shown to be not quite as good as first thought. However, we don't know to what degree fares for off-peak times and similar trips have been reduced by this pricing scheme, so I think it's more of a mixed outcome, neither wholly good or bad for the travelling public.
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Old January 3rd, 2012, 06:01 PM   #1083
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O maybe it's a cultural thing, and Brits aren't big on visiting people on Christmas.
And nearly everyone in Britain is pissed by mid-morning on Christmas Day. Thats when we open our presents, with a glass a of bucks fizz (champange ruined with orange juice) before moving on to a whiskeymac (whiskey ruined with ginger wine) before moving on to Christmas dinner (ruined by drinking too much bucks fizz and whiskeymac earlier in the day)

I don't think there is any danger of anything much happening on Christmas Day in the UK ever.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #1084
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Old January 6th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #1085
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And nearly everyone in Britain is pissed by mid-morning on Christmas Day. Thats when we open our presents, with a glass a of bucks fizz (champange ruined with orange juice) before moving on to a whiskeymac (whiskey ruined with ginger wine) before moving on to Christmas dinner (ruined by drinking too much bucks fizz and whiskeymac earlier in the day)
So the logical thing to do would be to keep public transport running, but to ban car driving.
However, it being the logical thing sufficiently explains why it isn't done...
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Old January 6th, 2012, 03:38 PM   #1086
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why on earth would you want to spend a couple of hours of Christmas Day not with your family, but travelling?
It's actually because I want to spend time with my family on Christmas Day that I need to travel on Christmas day. I don't think I'm the only one in such a situation.
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Old January 6th, 2012, 03:41 PM   #1087
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Netherlands, for instance, has a worse and less sophisticated fare system, it costs all the same except for pass holders or seasonal discount subscribers.

Therefore, you can't actually compare last-minute prices among different countries. You'd never travel 680km for £ 32 like you can travel in UK
You can't even travel 680km in the Netherlands. The networks are completely different. The Dutch railways run a country wide metro network.
Would you consider a sophisticated fare system would be right for the London Underground?
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Old January 15th, 2012, 11:48 PM   #1088
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Old January 16th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #1089
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Old January 16th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #1090
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Seriously, all the work that's being finally put into the railways around London is so impressive! I never used to use the overground at all, as it was frankly, infrequesnt and hideous, yet now it's my main route used to get to friend's places. And so many stations are being extensively renovated too! It's wonderful to see all this investment having come after the past 15-20 years of malaise.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #1091
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New London Bridge station looks nice, but they needed to remove those hideous arcs!!!
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Old January 16th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #1092
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What hideous arcs?
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Old January 17th, 2012, 03:04 AM   #1093
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yeah, what hideous arcs?
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Old January 17th, 2012, 03:22 AM   #1094
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Old January 17th, 2012, 08:26 AM   #1095
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What's hideous about them? I think the architects did a splendid job.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 02:36 PM   #1096
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The arches aren't modernist steel and glass, so I'm guessing that Suburbanist would rather see the Victoria brick viaduct that London Bridge Station and it's approach lines completely removed because it's
1)old (not that that stops him having SPQR, a Roman thing under his name)
2)not to his architectural taste - everything must be new-looking

I think the mix of old and new works well, and it is silly to spend billions removing a perfectly fine - and very likely preserved - viaduct, just because it doesn't fit the architectural fashion of the moment. London's oldest station should have an element of age in it's design.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #1097
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I think the arches are out of proportion, and the lower level should have an "open plan" appearance with plenty of glass or even bricks+glasses in irregular forms, having no resemblance to the present one other than its location. I like total replacement projects.

But this is still better than the bad-state, creative-less job they did at St. Pancraaas.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #1098
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But this is still better than the bad-state, creative-less job they did at St. Pancraaas.
You left out "award winning" from that description of St Pancras Suburbanist I was just reading on huff post how various historical societies want more of the current station fabric preserving but I don't think they'll win that battle.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 07:33 PM   #1099
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And nearly everyone in Britain is pissed by mid-morning on Christmas Day. Thats when we open our presents, with a glass a of bucks fizz (champange ruined with orange juice) before moving on to a whiskeymac (whiskey ruined with ginger wine) before moving on to Christmas dinner (ruined by drinking too much bucks fizz and whiskeymac earlier in the day)

I don't think there is any danger of anything much happening on Christmas Day in the UK ever.
I don't think ruined is the correct word to use, and I have never heard of people here drinking 'whiskeymac'. We just cracked open the white wine, vodka and Apple Sourz haha
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Yeah, but most people do not use rail like that, not in a small(ish) country like the UK or the Netherlands anyway. I think I have never booked a rail journey more than a week in advance ever.
The only train journeys that need to be booked are the long distance (by UK standards) trips, such as Manchester-London which huge discounts can be made. But local trips are cheap to buy on the day. £4.55 for me to get into Manchester return (14miles one way)
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