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Old April 5th, 2012, 08:34 PM   #1241
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Interesting. Will it be based on ERTMS?
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Old April 7th, 2012, 05:33 AM   #1242
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ERTMS is very limited in Britain.
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Old April 7th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #1243
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Happy to be corrected, but im pretty sure it will be ERTMS albeit with lineside signalling. It will be upgraded to full cab signalling at a later date.

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Old April 7th, 2012, 04:00 PM   #1244
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Old April 9th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #1245
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I'm looking at train tickets around the UK in October and noticed that websites only let you buy three months in advance. Is there anyway of getting around that, or should I just wait a few more months?

Also, can you get a direct train from Newcastle to Glasgow Central, or do I have to change in Edinburgh?

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Old April 9th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #1246
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I think three months is the maximum in advance you can buy. Check as soon as they go on sale if you know when you want to travel and you'll get the best prices.

It looks like all Newcastle-Glasgow trains involve a change at Edinburgh, journey time around 2:30 - 2:45 including change.
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Old April 9th, 2012, 09:09 PM   #1247
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You can't book more than 3 months in advance because the trains don't exist in the ticketing system until 3 months in advance. A peculiarity of the way NR organise everything, despite the majority of services being pretty well known 6 months or a year in advance, the system keeps everything fluid until the deadline.
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Old April 10th, 2012, 03:30 PM   #1248
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Scotrail run a direct service from Glasgow Central to Newcastle however it isn't very frequent, stops a lot and is on an old crummy DMU so I wouldn't recommend it. Crosscountry also have direct trains which will be much more pleasant.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #1249
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Old April 12th, 2012, 12:06 AM   #1250
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Railway stations to receive £1m investment for Commonwealth Games

ScotRail today announced a £1 million programme of improvements in passenger facilities at 19 stations in Glasgow and Lanarkshire in the run up to the Commonwealth Games in 2014.

This will meet a commitment to Scottish Ministers to deliver enhancements to support spectators travelling by rail to the Games events.

Work will begin later this year at stations close to key venues and at ‘feeder’ stations which are expected to be used by many passengers throughout the major international sporting event in summer 2014. These will include new customer information screens, waiting shelters, seating and lighting.

Stations set to receive improvements include Argyle Street, Bellgrove, Carntyne, Glasgow Central Low Level, Hamilton Central and Hamilton West.

ScotRail will also work with Network Rail on a series of refurbishments at stations during scheduled maintenance periods.

In addition around £600,000 of funding, from Transport Scotland and Strathclyde Partnership for Transport, has been secured for further improvements – particularly to access – at 11 stations in Glasgow and Lanarkshire as well as Carnoustie, Angus.
http://www.rail.co/2012/04/11/railwa...nwealth-games/
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Old April 12th, 2012, 07:13 PM   #1251
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Southeastern train refurbished in under 3 minutes

Transys Projects has released a timelapse video showing the refurbishment of a Southeastern train carriage.

Transys has ‘nearly completed’ the 18-month long project to refurbish 148 Electrostar trains and install new CCTV systems.

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Old April 13th, 2012, 06:53 AM   #1252
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Distance between Inverness and London is 400 miles, maybe a bit more.

Why does it need a sleeper?
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Old April 13th, 2012, 12:27 PM   #1253
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Distance between Inverness and London is 400 miles, maybe a bit more.

Why does it need a sleeper?
Actually, it's more than 600 miles. I've traveled on that sleeper and it's reasonably full, so the demand is obviously there
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Old April 13th, 2012, 01:23 PM   #1254
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Distance between Inverness and London is 400 miles, maybe a bit more.

Why does it need a sleeper?
It would be about a 10 hour drive without any traffic lol, so driving would need to be spread across today's anyway, so you might aswell do it overnight
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Old April 13th, 2012, 01:47 PM   #1255
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London-Penzance is only 300 miles but there is a sleeper service on that route too.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #1256
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Actually, it's more than 600 miles. I've traveled on that sleeper and it's reasonably full, so the demand is obviously there
One daily sleeper is quite irrelevant in the whole picture.

I think nigh trains should be retired if they don't make money on themselves. Which is what happened to other night trains in UK. At least this market approach works better than making the elimination of night trains a political issue like it was in Italy.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 02:47 PM   #1257
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The first 11-car tilting Pendolinos with a passenger capacity of 590 passengers entered service this week:





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Old April 13th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #1258
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One daily sleeper is quite irrelevant in the whole picture.
True, sorry for bringing that up. I just wanted to show that it's great for customers like me, who have early morning flights from London. Here are some stats though:
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Figures seen by The Herald show there were 274,000 passengers carried between London and Scotland in the 2010/11 financial year, a 31% increase on five years earlier. [...] However, the figures, which were passed to The Herald by Government agency Transport Scotland after a Freedom of Information request, show the cost of operating the service is significant, with subsidy levels of at least £76 per passenger.
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I think nigh trains should be retired if they don't make money on themselves. Which is what happened to other night trains in UK. At least this market approach works better than making the elimination of night trains a political issue like it was in Italy.
That's an interesting statement. If we decided that the government should not subsidize public transport like the Caledonian Sleeper, then quite a considerable amount of services would have to be retired. It's all of striking the right balance between the public interest of ensuring connectivity of regions like Northern Scotland that are far from the capital and the public interest of ensuring the most effective way of spending the subsidies budget. The subsidy level is clearly high, "... at least £76 per passenger", however, I don't think that it should be calculated per passenger. A more appropriate way would be to calculate it per passenger mile/km, since after all the service is clearly a long-distant one.
BTW, although the article in the Herald stresses on the competition of the short-haul flights, the real competition IMO is megabus. They offer a considerably cheaper service focusing on the low-cost student market with prices from Dundee to London starting at 23 pounds for a 10hrs 25mins trip. However, of course, it is also much more uncomfortable than the train.

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Old April 13th, 2012, 07:56 PM   #1259
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Actually, it's more than 600 miles. I've traveled on that sleeper and it's reasonably full, so the demand is obviously there
Doesnt really seem to justify bedroom car service though. Maybe thats just me.
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If it's a ten hour trip I can see the attraction of sleeping in a bed for most of that time rather than sitting upright staring out of the window...
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