daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old April 14th, 2012, 02:13 AM   #1261
poshbakerloo
***Alexxx***
 
poshbakerloo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: London, Manchester, Cheshire, Sheffield, Moscow
Posts: 5,092
Likes (Received): 292

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueBulgarian View Post
the real competition IMO is megabus. They offer a considerably cheaper service focusing on the low-cost student market with prices from Dundee to London starting at 23 pounds for a 10hrs 25mins trip. However, of course, it is also much more uncomfortable than the train.
I'm a student, and I would rather pay more for a comfortable 4hrs trip!
__________________
"BEFORE WE MARRY...I HAVE A SECRET!"

I <3 London
poshbakerloo está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old April 14th, 2012, 03:47 AM   #1262
krnboy1009
Registered User
 
krnboy1009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 1,661
Likes (Received): 169

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonesy55 View Post
If it's a ten hour trip I can see the attraction of sleeping in a bed for most of that time rather than sitting upright staring out of the window...
I guess, if it leaves at night.

When does it leave?
krnboy1009 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #1263
Jonesy55
Mooderator
 
Jonesy55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Floreat Salopia
Posts: 14,205
Likes (Received): 20304

Quote:
Originally Posted by krnboy1009
I guess, if it leaves at night.

When does it leave?
That's the idea, it leaves late evening, you arrive first thing next morning..
Jonesy55 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #1264
Think
...or not to be...
 
Think's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,428
Likes (Received): 158

Quote:
Originally Posted by makita09 View Post
You can't book more than 3 months in advance because the trains don't exist in the ticketing system until 3 months in advance. A peculiarity of the way NR organise everything, despite the majority of services being pretty well known 6 months or a year in advance, the system keeps everything fluid until the deadline.
The trains aren't inserted in the system everyday, so they exist in the booking system more than 3 months in advance, it's only they aren't shown to the purchasers.

Usually in all across Europe the changes take place in december and june, so the booking system is updated in any change for six moths. The reason because you can purchase only 3 months in advance is because if you sell a ticket for a train it has to run, so if you have to disrupt the service because any work or something like that you have to plan it three months before. If you sell tickets for six month every disruption, including if it takes only one day, have to be planned 6 months in advance. That's a lot of time for some maintenance works.

In the airports the works don't disrupt the service, and mayor works are planned with years, that's why the airlines can sell tickes near a year in advance.
Think no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #1265
makita09
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,536
Likes (Received): 92

Quote:
Originally Posted by krnboy1009 View Post
I guess, if it leaves at night.

When does it leave?
Ten in the morning, arriving 8 in the evening, its called a sleeper service because everyone in the UK is nocturnal. Edit - I may need to point out this is a joke.
__________________
"There is no problem so bad that you can't make it worse" - Chris Hadfield

Last edited by makita09; April 14th, 2012 at 04:53 PM.
makita09 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #1266
Jonesy55
Mooderator
 
Jonesy55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Floreat Salopia
Posts: 14,205
Likes (Received): 20304

Leaves London 2115, arrives Inverness 0838

Leaves Inverness 2047, arrives London 0747

http://www.scotrail.co.uk/sites/defa...perttdec11.pdf
Jonesy55 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #1267
krnboy1009
Registered User
 
krnboy1009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 1,661
Likes (Received): 169

Then why does it need a dinner car? Cant imagine anyone eating dinner that late.
krnboy1009 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 14th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #1268
Jonesy55
Mooderator
 
Jonesy55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Floreat Salopia
Posts: 14,205
Likes (Received): 20304

I think many people would eat dinner at that time, especially if it was a sort of 'event' like going on a sleeper train. Go to regular restaurants at 2100-2230 or later in some cases and they will often be busy...
Jonesy55 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 16th, 2012, 10:53 PM   #1269
PortoNuts
Registered User
 
PortoNuts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Porto
Posts: 24,094
Likes (Received): 7514

__________________
Got one head for money and one head for sin..
PortoNuts no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 17th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #1270
PortoNuts
Registered User
 
PortoNuts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Porto
Posts: 24,094
Likes (Received): 7514

__________________
Got one head for money and one head for sin..
PortoNuts no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 18th, 2012, 01:46 PM   #1271
PortoNuts
Registered User
 
PortoNuts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Porto
Posts: 24,094
Likes (Received): 7514

Quote:
Construction work begins on Dalmarnock redevelopment

The main construction work has now begun on the creation of a new £11m station for Dalmarnock in Glasgow’s East End. Following extensive preparatory and enabling works, Network Rail and contractors C Spencer Ltd are now building a new station on Dalmarnock Road to replace the existing facility on Swanston Street.

Network Rail said that ‘in order to construct the new station in a safe and secure way, the current facility will be closed to the public from 3 June 2012 to 25 November 2012′.

The station is being redeveloped in time for the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games, when it will be a key transport hub for those travelling to and from many of the Games’ events. It is also a ‘key element of the long-term regeneration’ of the East End of Glasgow.

The project is being funded by Clyde Gateway, Glasgow City Council and Strathclyde Partnership for Transport, with an additional contribution secured through the European Regional Development Fund.

Network Rail is delivering the project on behalf of Transport Scotland and the funding partner.
http://www.rail.co/2012/04/13/constr...redevelopment/
__________________
Got one head for money and one head for sin..
PortoNuts no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2012, 04:54 PM   #1272
PortoNuts
Registered User
 
PortoNuts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Porto
Posts: 24,094
Likes (Received): 7514

Quote:
Support for £450m Heathrow link line

PLYMOUTH is backing a campaign to have a new rail link to Heathrow Airport, writes Keith Rossiter, Political Reporter. Journey times to Heathrow could be sliced by three-quarters of an hour if a link from the country's busiest airport to the main Great Western Railway is built.

The section of rail less than four miles long would spare passengers the journey into London Paddington and back to Heathrow, or the alternative of catching a coach from Reading.

Plymouth's rail task force has written to colleagues in the Thames Valley pledging its support to the Western Rail Access to Heathrow (WRAtH) project. The task force has written to the chief executive of Slough Borough Council, which instigated the project.

Clive Perkin, assistant director for transport at Plymouth City Council, said: "So much business traffic comes through Heathrow Airport that we need to look at how we work with other organisations to form a long-term plan to improve the connections we have. It is good for employment opportunities and potential investors in the region."

David Parlby, chief executive of Plymouth Chamber of Commerce, said: "We need to look at all projects which have the potential to benefit the region's growth and we look at ways to support them both now and in the future. This scheme is in its infancy, but is already gathering pace.

"Early indications show that benefits for the city could create up to 100,000 more passengers, 30,000 fewer car journeys, 6,000 jobs created as well as up to £20million gross value added to the local economy."

The link is estimated to have a £450 million price tag but would improve the journey for 20 per cent of the UK population.
http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Supp...ail/story.html
__________________
Got one head for money and one head for sin..
PortoNuts no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2012, 06:25 PM   #1273
sotonsi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 5,562

Quote:
WRAtH
what a brilliant acronym - and one that didn't need much work to create a title that makes it (bacronyms suck).

I think the link is being oversold there - it's certainly an excellent and much needed scheme, but the benefits are being inflated there. By the time it is built, Crossrail would make the change-at-Reading and Hayes option practical. Also the link will certainly not get direct trains from Plymouth (diesel and underground stations/tunnels problem) and likely not Bristol, Bath, Swindon or Oxford (though Oxford is more likely) - it will be change-at-Reading for Intercity services on the GWML. If you have an optimistic 2018 date for opening, that's still only 6 years before Old Oak Common opens - which on it's own would remove quite a few minutes of those worst-case 45.
sotonsi no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #1274
krnboy1009
Registered User
 
krnboy1009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 1,661
Likes (Received): 169

Can someone explain to me how privatization of British passenger rail system works? Railroads are always a monopoly. The amount of tracks and demands are severely limited from one area to another, how does privatization in this circumstances help any riders?
krnboy1009 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #1275
Jonesy55
Mooderator
 
Jonesy55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Floreat Salopia
Posts: 14,205
Likes (Received): 20304

They also compete against motorways and air travel...
Jonesy55 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2012, 04:17 PM   #1276
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,536
Likes (Received): 21247

Quote:
Originally Posted by krnboy1009 View Post
Can someone explain to me how privatization of British passenger rail system works? Railroads are always a monopoly. The amount of tracks and demands are severely limited from one area to another, how does privatization in this circumstances help any riders?
To understand it one must get over the idea that tracks and trains are not severable from a managerial viewpoint.

The infrastructure (tracks, most stations etc) is maintained as a semi-public entity (Network Rail). Network rail keeps tracks that are opened for the private franchises of rail operating companies.

These companies might compete with each other in certain routes and there are a handful of open-access companies as well.

Just think: one could see motorways were "natural monopolies" but that doesn't mean different truck companies or bus companies compete in the same markets! Ditto for airports, ports etc...
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2012, 07:28 PM   #1277
krnboy1009
Registered User
 
krnboy1009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 1,661
Likes (Received): 169

Getting a better idea but the amount of rails compared to roads are severely more limited I would think. How can companies compete with each other? Is it possible to do the same service at the same time? I imagine not.
krnboy1009 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2012, 09:19 PM   #1278
NCT
Not Cwite There
 
NCT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Shanghai, London, Nottingham
Posts: 6,211
Likes (Received): 1779

On-track competition is very limited on UK's railways as open-access operators are few and far between. In reality each major corridor is only served by one Train Operatorating Company (TOC), though for some local journeys there are trains of different TOCs to chose from (slow vs fast services for example). Competition exists mainly at the tendering stage where companies bid for franchises (corridors). There are operator-specific tickets but many ticket types are valid 'on all reasonable routes'. Some tickets are also regulated.
__________________
My Shanghai photos - Nanjing Road, People's Square, The Bund, Xintiandi and more!
NCT no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 20th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #1279
sotonsi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 5,562

NCT, while you explain it well, there is, however, some competition between franchises.

You have 'cheaper, but stopping' options like London Midland/First Capital Connect only tickets between London and Birmingham, Peteborough, etc. (Neither of these is really 'local').

You also have 'cheaper, but a different, slower route' options like Chiltern/WCML between London and Birmingham and also London - Southampton/Portsmouth Southern only tickets (using the direct trains via Gatwick and Horsham) in competition with the SWT routes.
sotonsi no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 23rd, 2012, 09:36 AM   #1280
makita09
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,536
Likes (Received): 92

Exactly. There is also the important revenue formulae. If two TOCs operate between the same two places then revenue is divided between the TOCs based upon what proportion of the trains between the two towns are theirs, vs the total revenue from passengers. (Not the best explanation....)

i.e. the amount of revenue a TOC takes is not necessarily how many passengers it carried. eg the system is complicated.
__________________
"There is no problem so bad that you can't make it worse" - Chris Hadfield
makita09 no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
rail, railways

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium