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Old September 18th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #1321
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Firstly, if anyone has a map of the UK network by operator, and another by electrification, that'd be great.
Map of electrification

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Old September 19th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #1322
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Thank you very much NCT and makita09, though I'm still surprised that no-one seems to know about this mysterious Virgin service
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Old September 20th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #1323
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I'm still surprised that no-one seems to know about this mysterious Virgin service
The East Coast Main Line is blocked between Newcastle and Edinburgh every Sunday for several weeks. The 12:33 (Sun) Euston to Edinburgh runs to provide an alternative link between London and Edinburgh. It is scheduled to call only at Preston, because its main purpose is to convey through passengers rather than serving the intermediate market. (It has to call at Preston for a crew change in any case).

A rare example of co-operation and joined-up thinking in the UK rail industry!
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Old September 20th, 2012, 05:24 PM   #1324
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Of course this was the norm in BR days (diversions) due to track maintenance.
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Old September 20th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #1325
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IRJ at InnoTrans 2012: HITACHI today announced it has selected MTU as its preferred supplier for the contract to supply and maintain 250 700kW diesel powerpacks for Britain's Intercity Express Programme (IEP).

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Old September 21st, 2012, 03:18 PM   #1326
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The East Coast Main Line is blocked between Newcastle and Edinburgh every Sunday for several weeks. The 12:33 (Sun) Euston to Edinburgh runs to provide an alternative link between London and Edinburgh. It is scheduled to call only at Preston, because its main purpose is to convey through passengers rather than serving the intermediate market. (It has to call at Preston for a crew change in any case).

A rare example of co-operation and joined-up thinking in the UK rail industry!
Oh I see, and that's why there were East Coast trains running through Carlisle as well
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Old September 30th, 2012, 12:03 AM   #1327
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Too bad this handsome class plagued by problems ...


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Old September 30th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #1328
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Gods, that's a pretty depressing picture. I knew the level of electrification on the UK network was low, but it only really hits home when you see a map. Outside of the old NSE area, it's embarrassing.

Also, there are some routes there that should obviously have infill electrification and/or double-tracking carried out, like Reigate-Guildford-Reading and Hastings-Ashford. Having to run both diesel units alongside the electrics on the ECML must be incredibly wasteful, for the sake of taking the wires up to Aberdeen and Hull.
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Old September 30th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #1329
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It is but at least the DfT and the Govt have finally decided electrification is worth it. In 15 years time that map won't look nearly as depressing.

Re the ECML, at the moment there aren't enough electric trains to run the timetable anyhow - some London - Leeds and London - Edinburgh trains are run by diesels as it is. I believe Scotland has (distant) plans to electrify to Aberdeen, and Hull may reachable by electric trains if an infill between the ECML and the trans-penine electrification when (if) they extend to Hull.
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Old September 30th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #1330
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HS2 could be re-routed..

HS2 could be re-routed to Heathrow

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Heathrow.html

The more this goes on, the more I feel that HS2 will never get built.
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Old September 30th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #1331
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HS2 could be re-routed to Heathrow

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Heathrow.html

The more this goes on, the more I feel that HS2 will never get built.
I think it will get built (eventually), but that it will try to do too many things and do none of them well. The gov't seems to have an obsession with running HSR like a regional rail service. We only have to look at the debacle of the ever increasing number of stations that have been added to HS1 to see what they are thinking over Heathrow.

I'd rather it just focus on simple point-to-point intercity service, and be properly integrated fare and timetable wise with the larger rail system than try to use it as a substitute for west London's suburban rail problems.
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Old September 30th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #1332
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I would not trust the Torygraph to not be stiring it up here. There is no need for the route to deviate significantly from the existing plan to get into Heathrow. Doing so would only add 3 minutes to the timings of through trains.

It would be a joke not to route the backbone of our 21st century railway system through the country's main airport when it is passing within spitting distance. Doing so will allow hundreds of thousands of transit passengers to go by rail each year and ease pressure on the airport, which along with better redistribution of flights to other London airports and Birmingham can avoid a third runway. Not to mention create an interchange with the GWML. It has nothing to do with a regional rail option for London.

Absolutely this should be built.
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Old September 30th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #1333
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Old September 30th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #1334
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I would not trust the Torygraph to not be stiring it up here. There is no need for the route to deviate significantly from the existing plan to get into Heathrow. Doing so would only add 3 minutes to the timings of through trains.
And cost a few billion extra.
And with the needed OOC station, it doesn't save much more than 5 minutes for this ~3% of traffic and adds 10 minutes onto everyone's journey.

I guess you could ditch OOC to keep the difference down to three, rather than ten minutes, but that would overload Euston and Crossrail through West London (you'd certainly need 24tph to the Heathrow Hub - not that that will fit on the GWML slows!). Not to mention that any time saved for Reading/Heathrow/Southall passengers would be time lost for the 12x as many West End/City/Docklands via Crossrail passengers that would have used OOC.
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Not to mention create an interchange with the GWML.
It's called Old Oak Common!
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Old September 30th, 2012, 07:34 PM   #1335
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the ever increasing number of stations that have been added to HS1
For real?

I'm having no luck scoring functioning hits on HS1 timetables or services; I have learned that DB operates freight services along that line What's going on with this line, e.g., what are its stations nowadays?
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Old September 30th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #1336
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HS1 has stations at St Pancras, Stratford International, Ebbsfleet and Ashford. i.e. same as always, with similar service pattern and never any international trains at Stratford International!

IIRC, more Eurostar calls have been added at Ashford, but they were originally Ashford ones that were transferred to Ebbsfleet when that opened.

And the Javelin trains call at all stops, with the same frequencies as originally, leaving the line at Ashford (the successful ones) or Ebbsfleet (the less successful ones).
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And DB are only tentatively testing the line for use with freight and this is only when HS1 is not busy.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 12:42 AM   #1338
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HS1 has stations at St Pancras, Stratford International, Ebbsfleet and Ashford. i.e. same as always, with similar service pattern and never any international trains at Stratford International!

IIRC, more Eurostar calls have been added at Ashford, but they were originally Ashford ones that were transferred to Ebbsfleet when that opened.

And the Javelin trains call at all stops, with the same frequencies as originally, leaving the line at Ashford (the successful ones) or Ebbsfleet (the less successful ones).
So is Stratford not being used for Eurostar after all???
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 01:04 AM   #1339
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And cost a few billion extra.
And with the needed OOC station, it doesn't save much more than 5 minutes for this ~3% of traffic and adds 10 minutes onto everyone's journey
If this is 3% of traffic then how do Virgin think they can operate a new service between Heathrow and Manchester? How come the London to Scotland routes are BA's busiest in the world? How are there 2/3s of a million passengers a month flying between London and Scotland?

I'm not saying it isn't a small bit of the overall market, but siting the station elsewhere would be another bit of non-joined-up transport thinking in this country. I'm saying move the OOC station west and build the proposal the Arup put foward a couple of years ago. And make it an M25 parkway while you are at it.

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So is Stratford not being used for Eurostar after all???
Not yet. Give them a chance to sort out the Olympic Park stuff first. No reason why DB mightn't use it if they are seeking to link financial centres.
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 02:29 AM   #1340
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