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I don't take kindly to having the same thing said to me over and over when its quite plain that I already knew it and it has no bearing on the validity of my point. You tell me to get a life but can you honestly say you weren't enjoying being the all-knowledgable-teacher in this forum, but the moment you are questioned look how you react?
Just to be petty I would like to point out your incorrect use of the term "headway", which in railway terms means the time distance between two trains which is likely to be 3 minutes on HS2, not the length of the journey. And do you really think you know better than one of the world's finest engineering firms? |
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Arup - that was not my opinion, but that of commentators on the industry who know Arup better than you or I - see above. |
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Did I say I had a problem with the 1hr 10 mins? No, I didn't. Did I speculate on how that would be achieved? Yes. Where on earth did you get the idea that I was arguing with NR? Besides the fact that I already know about the high frequency virgin timetable and that unlike you I'm not in the habit of thinking I know better than large organisations, I didn't actually say anything to contradict you. You have bent this completely out of shape, and telling me to get a life because you don't understand what you're reading and getting all huffy is pathetic
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When will we find out whether or not the HSR will be built from London to Birmibgham? Its probaly been asked loads of times so sorry!
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There is no firm plan to build HSR lines in the UK. The main activity at the moment is to justify it on costs vs benefits. Network Rail is looking at options to tackle projected overcrowding on a number of routes, but not specifically to look at the introduction of HSR services. Its analysis will probably not be completed until next year at teh earliest.
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Magellan - You took it off topic when you thought I was arguing about the 1hr 10mins. And then you started the insults. Maybe you should review your attitude to your postings.
Twice this thread has gone off-topic and yes I responded to it (technically it was Hoosier who took the thread off topic, then Sotonsi, then me), but I am not going to sit idly by whilst people make unfair comments about sections of the human race. I also think I have the right to correct people when they misunderstand my posts, and when my posts are perfectly clear in the first place I won't make any apologies for it either. Quote:
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Well I have taken it up with Virgin and it appears there won't be very large time savings for Brum to London services anyway. It turns out I should have argued! Much ado about nothing. The fastest service will be 1 hr 12 minutes, and that will be achieved by being non-stop - as I thought. The rest of the services will take 1 hr 22 minutes.
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The "TGV" family vehicles (of wich Eurostar is a member) use shorter cars suported by pairs tru a common bogie:There are no "high speed" lines in britain because the "standard speed" lines are up to 125mph/201km/h so they sufice as fast railway routes ... and there are too many "upgradeable" routes to choose from for a "brand new" HSL to even be considerable as "doable" ... both in terms of economic cost of that construction and in terms of trying to bypass the "moronic" (no ofense here) and "predatorial" (take ofense here) local authorities/against-anything-groups along the way of the not-even-proposed-but-already-oposed route. ![]() For the given example (London-Birmingham) ... out of 3 or four possible routes for a new HSL ... theres already a railway built in everyone of them ... and it's an "upgradeable" railway in every case. ![]() Let me see how it is nowadays: London-Bedford-Wigston-Nuneaton-(Coventry)-Birmingham London-MiltonKeines-(Northampton)-Rugby-Coventry-Birmingham London-Aylesbury-(closed railway)-...-Birmingham London-H.Wycombe-Banbury-LeamingtonSpa-birmingham London-Reading-Oxford-Banbury/Gloucester-Worcester-Birmingham The fact that only one of these routes is being "upgraded" to 125mph (and one is even closed) should make some light on the matter.
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Well if they can be upgraded, they might as well to allow speeds of 300 km/h (186 mph) or greater. It would be good for the London 2012 games. The faster, the more attractive the option becomes.
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I think there is a growing industry consensus that with even conservative growth rates the main approaches to London are already full and more and more trains will see more standing passengers. The government has already had to perform a u-turn on electification as it's excuses not to electrify began to face ever greater ridicule.
Everyone knows that the first section of line will run from London to Birmingham. Most of the proposed routes all take a Western approach into London, because of the spare land running alonside the Central line, and link up with the newly expanded Trent Valley lines North of Birmingham. This section has been recently widened so should have a few years capacity still in it. All that differs on how they access Moor Street in Birmingham and how or whether they interface with Heathrow. Conspiracy theorists (or realists) have suggested the sudden plethora of studies is a way to delay as long as possible the building of a new high speed line. The Department of transport was supposedly worried because the proposed HS2 line was gaining to much support too quickly, within the industry. It's a long standing technique in the UK to string along a project, not wanting to to cancel a popular proposal but not actually commit any money to it. Most of the time it is quietly strangled, sometimes though it becomes to powerful to stop, and usually some deformed scheme lurches to life with so many changes, sometimes for the better, but often pared down in capacity to save money that as soon as it opens they have to start looking at upgrading it. |
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Also - the Bedford - Nuneaton route is only used for freight, no passenger services go between these two stations, all passenger services from both stations go to Leicester and I'm not certain there would be a market otherwise. The MML is only capable of 125mph maximum with tilt if it were to be upgraded. The Chiltern line is not a high priority (except to the relevant TOC) and is being slowly upgraded anyway. Much more important than the routes you've quoted is the ECML and the GWML, and perhaps the south west - north east cross country route, and the trans-penine. Last edited by elfabyanos; August 28th, 2008 at 12:37 PM. |
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Great news about Birmingham New Street
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