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Old December 14th, 2012, 02:17 PM   #1441
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It's 2012. We live in modern times. People might need to travel on Christmas.

So why does the British train network still come to a standstill on Christmas? It sounds like a relic of 1935.
Apparently Christmas and the following days are used for major engineering works on the mainlines, as this period sees less demand for travel (I suppose "everyone" is at home celebrating the holidays). It is curious that the shutdown is so extensive though- in Japan, the biggest holiday when most people are at home is New Year's, but railways run their usual holiday/weekend schedules of full service.
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Old December 15th, 2012, 05:23 PM   #1442
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Work starts on New Street façade

The first of 8,000 stainless steel panels have been installed at Birmingham New Street, as the station continues to undergo its £600 million redevelopment. The reflective cladding will cover the entire building once completed in 2015.

Chris Montgomery, project director, Network Rail, said: “The redevelopment of New Street will transform the station for the thousands of passengers who use it every day and allow it to handle the ever increasing numbers of people who want to use the railways.

“The start of work on the façade is significant as it’s the first step towards delivering a stunning new building which through new retail, public space and better access will stimulate regeneration and create hundreds of new jobs in the heart of Birmingham.”

The north side of the building and new north-west corner entrance, above Stephenson Street will be the first area of the building to be clad in the reflective steel façade.

Network Rail hopes work will be complete in the area when the switchover of the station happens in April 2013. Network Rail is delivering the project alongside its delivery partner Mace.

The installation of the façade will then travel anti clockwise around the station with the west, south and finally, in 2015, the east elevations of the building being clad.
http://www.rail.co/2012/12/12/work-s...street-facade/
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Old December 16th, 2012, 12:59 AM   #1443
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Old December 17th, 2012, 07:49 AM   #1444
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Apparently Christmas and the following days are used for major engineering works on the mainlines, as this period sees less demand for travel (I suppose "everyone" is at home celebrating the holidays).
So few people visit relatives on Christmas?
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Old December 17th, 2012, 01:48 PM   #1445
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My guess is that Christmas closures of rail must have something to do with earlier corrupt unions from BR time, that saw in the feelings of railroad employees something more important than providing travelling services during one of the busiest weeks of the year.

Let's also remember the unacceptable closures on Sunday early mornings of most of London transportation network, which has no valid excuse at this day and age, no matter how church-going are TfL employees.
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Old December 17th, 2012, 03:42 PM   #1446
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So few people visit relatives on Christmas?
They either travel Christmas Eve, or walk/car/bus on Christmas Day. The massively empty roads on Christmas Day should be a sign that the demand is small!
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My guess is that Christmas closures of rail must have something to do with earlier corrupt unions from BR time, that saw in the feelings of railroad employees something more important than providing travelling services during one of the busiest weeks of the year.
Or a great chance to do extended engineering works. Most Bank Holidays and surrounds have engineering works anyway. And the roads on Christmas Day tell the story that people don't travel as much that day.

And in the case of the tube, the 'corrupt' union registered complaints about Christmas closures and so it is now a normal workday, but one where they let people take it off (out of leave) if they chose to and they never have enough people working to operate the trains. So they run some buses to replace the tube services and do paperwork at HQ.
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Let's also remember the unacceptable closures on Sunday early mornings of most of London transportation network, which has no valid excuse at this day and age, no matter how church-going are TfL employees.
Err, what are you smoking?

IIRC the later Sunday morning has always been for for maintenance or to provide a later service on Saturday night for those who go out partying until late.

I don't think starting at 0630 instead of 0530 is anything to do with Church-going.

I'm pretty sure we had this discussion last year.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 02:01 AM   #1447
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A couple of nice nostalgic shows on BBC4 this week:

BBC iPlayer - The Golden Age of Steam Railways: Small is Beautiful

BBC iPlayer - The Golden Age of Steam Railways: Branching Out

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Two-part documentary telling the remarkable story of a band of visionaries who rescued some of the little narrow gauge railways that once served Britain's industries. These small railways and the steam engines that ran on them were once the driving force of Britain's mines, quarries, factories and docks. Then, as they disappeared after 1945, volunteers set to work to bring the lines and the steam engines back to life and started a movement which spread throughout the world. Their home movies tell the story of how they helped millions reconnect with a past they thought had gone forever.
Quite a few more shows from the BBC archives available here:

BBC Four - Collections - Steam Railways

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Old December 19th, 2012, 05:39 AM   #1448
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Can only watch those if you're in the UK
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Old December 19th, 2012, 02:06 PM   #1449
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Perhaps along with the ECML improvement works, someone could install fencing along the entire line. It's been the fourth time in 6 weeks that someone decided that jumping in front of a train was a good idea and has left me and many others massively delayed. (And that's just me, I swear it's almost a daily occurrence)

Although, it appears to happen mostly at stations, I think yesterday's holdup was due to a jumper at Northallerton
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Old December 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #1450
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The UK public travel network runs down by Late xmas eve. This is an ideal time for Network rail to take possession and complete work. Also the fact that a great deal of Britain is on holidays until Jan 2nd. Dunno about London, But Manchester, You'll be lucky to get a bus, tram, train after 10 o'clock (Apart from taxis, private hire, that charge double rate) That's your lot till boxing day (26th) which will be a Sunday service. As already mentioned the roads are dead, everyone is in the pub waiting for Roast turkey/goose/beef and all the trimmings. That's where I'll be
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 01:35 AM   #1451
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Suburbanist is a wingnut, far right, market worshipping, oil and road *****. Don't take anything he says seriously.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 02:50 AM   #1452
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Suburbanist is a wingnut, far right, market worshipping, oil and road *****. Don't take anything he says seriously.
Don´t go that far.
He´s fun to read most of the times because he says freakish things, but on certain sparse occasions, even he can say the right thing.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 08:10 AM   #1453
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So few people visit relatives on Christmas?
No, most do, but there are people who have to work on holidays too. Unless everything shuts down, which apparently it does in the UK.
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Some recent photographs of disruption that's been caused by the heavy rain that's been falling in the last 24 hours across most of the UK, these having been taken in Hampshire on the Bournemouth to London line.

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Old December 22nd, 2012, 09:15 PM   #1455
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Is this the Southampton-Basingstoke-Reading line?
I read that the government plans to electrify it with catenaries...
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 03:14 PM   #1456
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Is this the Southampton-Basingstoke-Reading line?
I read that the government plans to electrify it with catenaries...
I'm not familiar with the area, but that was taken on that line, yes.



(picture courtesy of another railway forum)

The above shows how the flooding has affected the Bristol to Exeter line this morning, with an 'inflatable dam' being used at a point just north of Exeter St. Davids station.

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Old December 23rd, 2012, 07:43 PM   #1458
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Is this the Southampton-Basingstoke-Reading line?
I read that the government plans to electrify it with catenaries...
No it's at Sway which is south west of Southampton. The line is already electrified with 3rd rail there (hence the problem). It was flooded twice this week.

The Reading - Basingstoke section is currently diesel only.
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No it's at Sway which is south west of Southampton. The line is already electrified with 3rd rail there (hence the problem). It was flooded twice this week.

The Reading - Basingstoke section is currently diesel only.
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